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occasionally think how quickly our

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now right welcome fade to black the

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KCRA the planet I am your host imager

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what is crack and everybody how you do

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it I am so excited about this show

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Riz Burke is here we're going to be

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simulation hypothesis so buckle up

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seriously tomorrow night JJ and Desiree

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her tucker here they've got a new book

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out - it's called geeses industrial

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right there earlier today I will just

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say this really quick earlier today I

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am leaving the platform and indeed I am

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ok I am preparing a statement for

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everybody that will be published and

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night but I have left on stellar and

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what appears to be with no explanation

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that you started right and it's it's not

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about that I'm not abandoning everybody

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associated with on stellar and there's

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and other things ok and we will always

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read up myself this network and

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something and get it out there for all

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get to some breaking news a u.s. jury

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today are you ready

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found by ur AG's glyphosate based

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roundup weed killer cause cancer a blow

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to the company eight months after

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another jury issued a 289 million dollar

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verdict over similar claims in a

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different case the case was only the

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second are you ready

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of around eleven thousand two hundred

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roundup lawsuits to go to trial in the

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United States this is only number two

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another California man was awarded 289

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million in August after a stake court

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jury found roundup caused his cancer

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sending buyer shares plunging at the

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time that award was later reduced to 78

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million dollars and is on appeal man

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well we knew it right you know it's you

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know it's funny today I was in our front

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lawn and we've got a few dandelions

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right there right there and normally

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you're tempted right that's it ain't no

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roundup at our house you know I guess

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the dandelions it is gonna go you got to

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pull them out you know gotta pull weeds

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got to go old-fashioned style but you

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know it was just so funny I I thought

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you know what little dandelion just grow

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flourish take over the front lawn but

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I'm not spraying roundup I haven't done

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it when all of the roundup years goes

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about ten years ago nine years ago I

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think I sprayed roundup once and then I

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saw the documentary about the family

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with the with the back patio I don't

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know if you guys remember that but that

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was it I haven't haven't done it didn't

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it in a trash dump

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right and it just throw it away I don't

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know what to do with it what do you do

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what do you do with roundup now you know

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cracking happy birthday to today Bruce

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Willis is 64 and it used to be with

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Bruce you would think of you know Hans

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Gruber right okay so you had a New

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Year's Eve you had those kind of thought

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you know what but with Bruce you know

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where I go now you know where I go 12

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monkeys

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swear that movie is so great and that's

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when you know and it's not anything else

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with drew I go 12 monkeys happy birthday

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to Bruce Willis alright okay on the

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stain history sad day we need a moment

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of silence please in 1982 guitar master

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Randy Rhoads is killed in an airplane

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crash in Leesburg Florida when their

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tour bus driver said he was a pilot and

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they were at the tour bros tour bus

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company's headquarters to repair

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something on the bus and air conditioner

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and he took Randy up for a flight and

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decided to buzz the tour bus where

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everybody was sleeping Ozzy Osbourne and

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Sharon and Tommy Aldridge and and so

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forth and then took a couple passes and

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then the third pass hit the bus crashed

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into a house and they died instantly and

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it was a tragic day all right so there

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you go on this day in 1982 fader fact

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you are as old as the universe you you

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are as old as the universe why because

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matter cannot be created or destroyed

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you need to think about that I remember

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I'm so fascinated with the subject

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Stardust right Stardust that and I've

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said it a few times before but if you

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look your left hand and your right hand

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are made from two different stars think

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about that for a second I mean that's

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just that's just a heavy thought what do

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you think about it well that's that's a

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matter cannot be created or destroyed

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all of this are as as old as the

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universe think about that tonight rizz

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Burke is here I'm going to talk about

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his new book and the simulation

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hypothesis tomorrow night it is JJ and

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Desiree her talk and their new book

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akiza's industrial complex Thursday is

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with open lines all night long now I'm

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excited about tonight's show and this

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show is about 20 years in the making

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because the film The Matrix came out in

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then I remember that up until the week

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and I am such a movie guy and I would

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get to LA Weekly and I'm always you know

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waiting for some crazy movie to come out

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and it was just something cool and I was

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always and their movie reviews and

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across the street from the house there

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in Sherman Oaks we had a really nice

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movie theater right there and and right

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so that's it you know I was always

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looking and and sometimes you know I

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planned for things a month or two in

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advance because you know something big

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was coming out and the matrix snuck up

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on me and I had gotten out like the LA

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Weekly and and I see this review for

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this movie called The Matrix and it was

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like the day before it started playing

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at the local theater across the street

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and although at the time I didn't fully

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grasp what the review was trying to say

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about the film and I'm pretty sure that

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the reviewer at the time didn't really

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understand what the film was about

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anyway right but I knew I could tell

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that it was something that I wanted to

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see special effects and Keanu Reeves and

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the future and and there was probably

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some mention of alternate reality and

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and I you know it was supposed to be so

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high tech and well produced and okay all

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right and then it's playing like the

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next day so I go and and watch it and I

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remember very vividly that I left the

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theater impressed but I was impressed

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about the special effects

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mostly right and the other thing because

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I'm such a film guy was I was very

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impressed that I couldn't figure out

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what the movie was about right right I

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was like that is it that was deep and I

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didn't understand why I couldn't figure

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out the meaning of the film I knew it

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was much deeper than you know like neo

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dodging bullets

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you know in slow-mo and all of that

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stuff but there was something else there

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so I went back that week two or three

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times to see it again and each time I

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took different friends and I had to do

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that because you can't take the same

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friend to the same movie over and over

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and over again that nobody's gonna want

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to do that so I invited other friends

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and and told him I was gonna go see the

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movie again and and I did and slowly I

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got it

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and you see here's the thing and it

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didn't happen right away not for me

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and I can't speak for everybody out

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there but I didn't get the film didn't

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get it

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I mean I knew I enjoyed the story and I

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enjoyed the action and the special

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effects but I was trying to get to the

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meaning of the film you see here's the

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thing through that whole period of the

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90s I was really into gaming I still AM

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I just don't have the time to game if

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you ever get a chance maybe one day you

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know right and it's in in my bedroom

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right next to the TV is a PlayStation 4

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sitting right there haven't fired it up

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in six months but it's it's there it's

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it's you know I've got all the all the

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controllers and all the things but but I

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just don't have the time to gain like I

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used to but in the 90s I was really into

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gaming and this is this is the trip with

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serious gaming and if you have gamed

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you know exactly what I'm talking about

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if you haven't gained this may sound a

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little bit strange but the more that you

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play you find that when you have to go

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out into the

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world you find that you're still in the

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game you do you you it takes it takes a

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while for your brain to adjust it's a

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really trippy thing to go through and

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all gamers do it you know if you if you

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go through a six-hour run and you've got

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to leave to go get food you got to go to

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leave to go do something you got to go

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meet people you got you know you have to

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leave the house you're in the game

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it takes a while and the adjustment of

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your brain is such that you see things

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in the world around you that are

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relative back to the game that you were

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playing you're still playing the game

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and then when you get back home let's

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say you get you you adjust your back

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into the real world you're hearing

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people talk and you're engaging in

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conversation it's all good then you get

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back home and you fired up your computer

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right or your Playstation whatever and

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you're right back into that world

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it's a trippy thing and it's a

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comforting thing when you're gaming that

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you get back into it you get back into

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the world and and all of the the you

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know all the players and all of the

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things that you're interacting with and

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the things that it's it's comforting and

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I understood that I got it and it was

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some time later you know when I started

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to it was one thing to understand what

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the matrix was about right okay it's

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another thing when the realization of

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what the matrix and Neal were about the

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real subject matter everything changes

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it does there was something going on and

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it's not that the matrix was first to

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cover this it's it's not about that

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because we've experienced that in

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science fiction forever

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and and also mythology but but you know

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if you think about well anyway before I

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go to sideways when I got the

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realization of what was happening with

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the matrix I went out and I bought when

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it first was released because at that

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time there was a Tower Records literally

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across my driveway from my house in

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Sherman Oaks tower video I got the DVD

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right with all the bonus the bonus the

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making of the matrix the second DVD and

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the director's cut and all that stuff

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and I watched it over and over and over

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again I went through a matrix insanity

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not only the whole movie because I would

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do that too but I started watching

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specific scenes I was understanding the

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meaning of the matrix and I would

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transcribe them I would sit there on my

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laptop and watch these scenes over and

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over again and I would get the

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transcription absolutely WordPerfect

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every comma and period and thing and and

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I would study I would absorb the movie

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by reading my transcription which turned

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out to be the script I would read that

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while the movie was playing in the

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background and I just I got it inside of

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my head right

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I literally studied them and when you go

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through this type of immersion into a

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subject it will consume you and the

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matrix did for me this was when I

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literally started to ask questions about

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the world around us not about

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conspiracies or UFOs and time-travel I'm

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talking about what is reality that old

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red pill blue pill scene when you break

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that down and the implications and the

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heaviness of that scene today we

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understand it we all know about being

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red pill

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we know about the words that were spoken

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and we understand that scene but back

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then nobody did

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we were absorbing it and we were getting

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to the heaviness of what was actually

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being presented in the film right but I

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got it I got it and and that being

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combined with the gaming that I was

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doing and the reality of what the matrix

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was suggesting to us it changed for me

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and at the time because today it's a

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different world at the time I thought I

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was the only one thinking like this okay

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III I really did and I was uncomfortable

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with discussing these subjects it was a

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movie right it was a movie I was

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uncomfortable with discussing the

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heaviness of the matrix with my friends

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because I didn't want people to endued

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what right it's just a movie man it's

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just a movie but in the early 2000s many

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started to suggest the same thing and

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what happened next I started to research

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this and I started to research

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scientific papers and physicists and and

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what the the simulation hypothesis

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really was and it it started to confirm

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a lot of things and here we are today

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about tonight rizz Burke is with us and

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probably three years ago

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Silicon Valley started to flip on its

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head and and qubits and quantum

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computing started to become a reality

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and when the talk of quantum computing

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this is where all of this ties together

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and it gets really scary the thought of

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quantum computing started to get around

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the tech world and we were trying to

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understand really what quantum was and

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when you go from a 486 chip

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you know and you start to to go through

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the different stages of what computers

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are processing power 33 megahertz bus

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speeds and all of that from the old days

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and where we are today alright and and

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and quantum computing comes into the mix

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we didn't understand it now today we do

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Silicon Valley did understand what

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quantum computing and and quantum theory

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and quantum mechanics actually means and

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then the suggestion started to come out

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are we living in a simulation and then

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the references going back to the matrix

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are everywhere now it's part of pop

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culture it wasn't always that way

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for me it took about two years of

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watching the matrix over and over again

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and looking at the world around us

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combined with the reality I was

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connecting with in in video games

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tonight RIS verk is here and we are

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going to go through not only each one of

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these but like I said I'm not the only

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one talking like this R is just released

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a book that when you read it it

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discusses everything of the road that I

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just traveled since 1999 and it's

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exciting that today we find ourselves

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discussing this very subject is it scary

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is it any different if you think about

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it the scene and the matrix right I know

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that the meat is juicy alright but it's

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not real if you think about that that's

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where we are today it's crazy what's the

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difference does it matter

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would it matter to you think about that

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tonight R is Burk tomorrow night JJ and

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Desiree her talk are here Thursday night

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is another fader night with open lines

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all night long great week this week here

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on fade to black if you think about what

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we have gone through are all of my

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favorite subjects and you get to ride

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along with me and some amazing

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but be out of this show and for me to do

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the job that I do

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I'm your host Jimmy Church emailed as

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Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio calm you can

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follow me on Twitter at Jay Church radio

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all right this is fade to black on the

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game changer network and kgr a the

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planet I'll be right back after this

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short break with our guest rizz Forex a

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[Music]

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you-know-who and you're listening to

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am your host Jimmy Church tonight Rizwan

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Risberg successful entrepreneur angel

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investor best-selling author video game

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industry pioneer and independent film

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producer Chris currently runs Bayview

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labs and play labs at MIT a startup

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accelerator held on campus at the

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Massachusetts Institute of Technology

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rizz received a BS in computer science

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and engineering from MIT in an MS and

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management from Stanford's GSB Riza's

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many startups have created products used

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by thousands of enterprise customers and

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his games have been downloaded millions

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of times including Tap fish bingo run

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penny dreadful that's right and grim by

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the way cards of fate rizz is a prolific

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Silicon Valley angel investor having

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invested in many startups including

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Tapjoy telltale games discord Fonzie

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Opaka gems moon express and many others

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he has to produce a bunch of independent

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films - including turquoise rose live

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what on earth will it take he did

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serious and also the cult classic

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Knights of Badassdom starring our

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favorite Peter Dinklage tonight we're

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going to discuss his latest book the

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simulation hypothesis drawing from

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researching concepts from computer

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science artificial intelligence video

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games in quantum physics and referencing

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both speculative fiction and ancient

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Eastern spiritual texts Riz will tell us

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how all of these traditions come

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together to point to the idea that we

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may be inside a simulated reality just

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like The Matrix I'd like to welcome back

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to fade to black

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Riz Burk rizz how are you man hi Jimmy

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doing well glad to be back well you know

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you would think when the intro music

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comes in that you're all pumped up are

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you are you pumped up does the music

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gets you excited risk yeah absolutely in

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your story of watching The Matrix how

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many times well you did the same thing I

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know you did rizz yeah I looked up the

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dialogue and was amazed that you know

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some of the things that Morpheus

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you know Laurence Fishburne was saying

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to neo and as I looked further and

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further into this you know it was it was

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a direct parallel on it actually you

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know there was an interesting story

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about this book and Morpheus that

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happened just last month and I wasn't

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there but I heard about it what happens

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from so you know Jacques Vallee who you

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know is a UFO researcher was part of

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Project Blue Book and you know has been

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investigating paranormal phenomenon for

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years he's he's excited about this book

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because he's a computer scientist by

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background I think he was like the first

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person at NASA to map out Mars in a

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computer screen so he was in Big Sur

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giving a workshop and he put a couple

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slides up about my book and about the

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simulation hypothesis and how everything

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is information and then they you know

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the session ended and they went to lunch

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there in Big Sur and who did they find

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at lunch but Laurence Fishburne oh shut

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up okay no I heard about it from from

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Jacquin from Diana APUs okay you know

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who wrote American cosmic afterwards

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saying that was an interesting little

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00:35:52,450 --> 00:35:49,730
synchronicity that happened around this

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book in the Matrix that's a trippy thing

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that's when you know things like that

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happen you just need to step back and

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we'll enjoy the moment but understand

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that things are not what they seem man

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they just are not that's a crazy

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synchronicity right there yeah it's

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funny because I think the first time I

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was on your show I was talking about

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synchronicity and clues and you know we

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were using the term glitches in the

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matrix

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mm-hmm for how these things are often

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related to each other in the real world

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and then I think the second time I was

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on your show we were talking about

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killer AI and now we're kind of bringing

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it all together you know as we talk

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about the simulation hypothesis so it's

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good quite an interesting mix of topics

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it is it is and for for somebody like

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you R is that you you get well you're

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supposed to get I should say you're

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supposed to understand software and

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computers and technology and it's what

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you do you know certainly with gaming

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and investing and apps and and what

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Silicon Valley is about you know

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so MIT that you have a grip of what is

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going on when the suggestion started to

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surface not not going back to the matrix

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I'm talking about today where different

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scientists and engineers around the

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world and CEOs are talking about a real

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possibility Stephen Hawking for instance

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right start you know where they start

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referencing the possibility of us living

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in simulation did that you know how do

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you start to accept that in that you

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know what I mean you're supposed to be

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smart and you're not supposed to go down

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that rabbit hole but yet others are

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around you in this industry yeah you

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know I think it's become a pretty

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popular topic with in Silicon Valley and

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it's become a serious subject for

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physicists and for philosophers and

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00:37:57,730 --> 00:37:55,579
scientists I mean it used to be viewed

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as purely science fiction right and you

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know we'll talk about some of the

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science fiction references with philip k

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dick you know in addition to the matrix

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itself but it's taken much more

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seriously now and i think there's two

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big reasons why one is there was a paper

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published by a philosopher at oxford

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nick bostrom called the are you living

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in a simulation and he did a statistical

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argument we'll get more into that in a

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little bit later but then the second

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reason is that video game technology has

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been developing at such a rapid pace

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over the past decades that were getting

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better and better fidelity and what

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we're realizing is where we're creating

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models of the physical world inside the

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video game and the more we do this the

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more we realized that the that the

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physical world can be represented as

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information right and so you know my

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00:38:49,569 --> 00:38:47,450
background is in computer science and a

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lot of the history of video games in

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computer science you know I started

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programming on a Apple 2 computer you

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know way back when I think I built

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tic-tac-toe is my very first game ever

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and the history of video games and

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computers is all about optimization

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you're trying to squeeze as much

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performance as you can out of the CPU

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and then later GPU

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were developed you know in fact a lot of

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the history of computer software is the

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history of video games you know the

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first AI practical AI that was ever

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really developed was a chess-playing

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computer developed by Claude Shannon it

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was a professor at MIT and a researcher

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at Bell Labs and they consider to be the

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father of information science so and a

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lot of the optimizations that have been

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done have been done for video games

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because there were so many pixels that

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had to be rendered that you had to have

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better and better processors and so GPUs

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which are used now for everything from

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you know simulating environments to

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video games to blockchain to everything

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else you know the graphics processing

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00:39:55,630 --> 00:39:54,980
units were developed in order to play

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video games

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optimization and as the representation

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or fidelity has gotten better and better

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00:40:09,250 --> 00:40:07,520
in video games this idea that we might

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actually be inside the simulation

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started to be taken more seriously I'll

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tell you the story about my own went my

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conversion experience if you will yeah

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00:40:20,910 --> 00:40:17,349
I'm thinking about this for a long time

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but it wasn't until virtual reality

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really started to take off over the last

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couple of years that I started to say

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okay now we can see a direct path from

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today's technology to something like The

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Matrix and so I was playing a a

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ping-pong game table tennis game with

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the virtual reality glasses it was a

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firm in Silicon Valley up and see

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Sausalito and so I was using the

817
00:40:47,770 --> 00:40:45,140
controllers and I was playing ping pong

818
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:47,780
against an imaginary opponent it was so

819
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:50,390
realistic I was so immersed with the way

820
00:40:56,859 --> 00:40:53,049
the glasses were and the way that

821
00:40:59,559 --> 00:40:56,869
responsiveness to my movements were that

822
00:41:01,569 --> 00:40:59,569
at the end of the game I decided okay

823
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,579
I'm gonna put the paddle down on the

824
00:41:05,740 --> 00:41:03,440
table and I'm gonna lean against the

825
00:41:07,539 --> 00:41:05,750
table and what happened of course there

826
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:07,549
was no paddle it's just a controller and

827
00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:10,730
there was no table you solo battle fell

828
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:12,380
on the floor and almost fell on the

829
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:14,510
floor myself and that's when I realized

830
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:16,609
that immersion was we're starting to get

831
00:41:20,530 --> 00:41:18,079
to the point where we could fool

832
00:41:22,299 --> 00:41:20,540
ourselves and we could fool our bodies

833
00:41:23,230 --> 00:41:22,309
and our minds into thinking we were

834
00:41:24,850 --> 00:41:23,240
somewhere

835
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:24,860
we really weren't so that was one of my

836
00:41:31,330 --> 00:41:27,290
conversion experiences that I had around

837
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:31,340
this topic I I got so into and so did

838
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:37,090
Rita we got so into Sims I mean really

839
00:41:43,930 --> 00:41:40,960
into Sims and we're downloading

840
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,940
furniture and houses and and you know

841
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:45,680
and inserting that stuff into the game

842
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:48,710
but anyway you get so into Sims and then

843
00:41:55,359 --> 00:41:51,770
go to a furniture store like IKEA and

844
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:55,369
walk around and your head is so twisted

845
00:41:59,770 --> 00:41:57,890
up everywhere you look you're looking at

846
00:42:01,840 --> 00:41:59,780
furniture from the Sims and you're

847
00:42:04,359 --> 00:42:01,850
thinking about your house that's your

848
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,369
building in Sims and you're looking at

849
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:06,800
the people walking around inside of IKEA

850
00:42:13,630 --> 00:42:10,160
like the people that walk around in Sims

851
00:42:16,330 --> 00:42:13,640
it's a twisted thought but unless you've

852
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:16,340
gone through your table tennis

853
00:42:20,859 --> 00:42:19,280
experience or gone through an experience

854
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:20,869
like with Sims where you're fully

855
00:42:25,870 --> 00:42:23,570
immersed you don't really get it but you

856
00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:25,880
start to understand that a virtual world

857
00:42:32,349 --> 00:42:29,800
can be created and you can live in it

858
00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:32,359
yeah absolutely and in fact you know

859
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:35,030
they've done research that shows that if

860
00:42:40,060 --> 00:42:37,130
you have a virtual character smile at

861
00:42:43,690 --> 00:42:40,070
you that produces a very similar

862
00:42:46,510 --> 00:42:43,700
reaction to biochemical reaction to if

863
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:46,520
someone was really smiling at you and so

864
00:42:51,940 --> 00:42:49,970
that the lines start to blur between the

865
00:42:52,990 --> 00:42:51,950
virtual world and the real world and you

866
00:42:55,060 --> 00:42:53,000
know I didn't spend as much time with

867
00:42:56,349 --> 00:42:55,070
Sims but but you know I know about that

868
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:56,359
and I used to spend time in Second Life

869
00:43:01,570 --> 00:42:59,359
which was also a shared virtual world

870
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:01,580
and you would go in and people would

871
00:43:05,530 --> 00:43:03,530
create all kinds of structures within

872
00:43:08,109 --> 00:43:05,540
this world and those structures would

873
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,119
live you know while they log out and

874
00:43:12,430 --> 00:43:10,640
other people would log in and I remember

875
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:12,440
thinking to myself well what happens to

876
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:14,930
these structures when nobody is logged

877
00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:18,290
in are they actually there or not and so

878
00:43:23,859 --> 00:43:19,840
then I started to get into the

879
00:43:27,310 --> 00:43:23,869
philosophical side of what is a shared

880
00:43:30,609 --> 00:43:27,320
online world in an MMORPG like does it

881
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:30,619
actually exist somewhere or is it just

882
00:43:36,769 --> 00:43:34,170
information stored on a cloud server

883
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,779
and the rendered world and this is a

884
00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:38,880
term I use a lot in the book both for

885
00:43:45,289 --> 00:43:40,710
video games and for the world we see

886
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:45,299
around us the world is only rendered on

887
00:43:50,809 --> 00:43:48,690
my computer by my local processor right

888
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:50,819
therefore the pixels of that world don't

889
00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:52,650
actually exist somewhere that we're all

890
00:43:57,710 --> 00:43:55,529
looking at them so if you and I are

891
00:44:01,039 --> 00:43:57,720
logged into the sims online or a second

892
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:01,049
life or world of warcraft right we think

893
00:44:05,660 --> 00:44:03,210
we're seeing the same thing right and

894
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:05,670
the information may be similar but it's

895
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:07,920
being rendered by algorithms on our own

896
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:10,319
computers and so that's an interesting

897
00:44:15,259 --> 00:44:13,200
philosophical question and I think it's

898
00:44:17,569 --> 00:44:15,269
something that that that if you think

899
00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:17,579
seriously about it we'll talk about

900
00:44:21,259 --> 00:44:19,140
quantum physics you know a little bit

901
00:44:23,660 --> 00:44:21,269
later but it starts to get into this

902
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:23,670
idea of quantum indeterminacy and the

903
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:24,960
subjective world

904
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:26,730
I mean they've done research recently

905
00:44:32,089 --> 00:44:29,460
that suggests that there is no objective

906
00:44:34,450 --> 00:44:32,099
world in the quantum rounds that I could

907
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:34,460
be seeing you know three particles

908
00:44:38,420 --> 00:44:36,660
entangled in one way and you could be

909
00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:38,430
seen you could be seeing them entangled

910
00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:39,480
in a different way and we'd be looking

911
00:44:44,749 --> 00:44:41,880
at the same six particles which means

912
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:44,759
that there could be slightly different

913
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:46,710
renderings of the world going on and we

914
00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:48,089
we wouldn't necessarily know that

915
00:44:52,749 --> 00:44:50,220
because we can only see our rendering of

916
00:44:55,249 --> 00:44:52,759
the world and so this idea of a

917
00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:55,259
informational world and a rendered world

918
00:44:59,660 --> 00:44:57,660
where our character lives you know I

919
00:45:00,920 --> 00:44:59,670
think it's one of the the big metaphors

920
00:45:03,529 --> 00:45:00,930
that I explore in the book and one of

921
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:03,539
the big reasons why the simulation

922
00:45:07,789 --> 00:45:04,740
hypothesis should be taken seriously

923
00:45:10,099 --> 00:45:07,799
well and and that's the science side of

924
00:45:12,829 --> 00:45:10,109
it today which I want to spend a lot of

925
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:12,839
time talking about but the other part is

926
00:45:18,380 --> 00:45:16,079
it's exactly what when we get out of the

927
00:45:20,269 --> 00:45:18,390
electronic age or the computer age and

928
00:45:22,849 --> 00:45:20,279
go backwards where you get into young

929
00:45:25,460 --> 00:45:22,859
and then start going even before that

930
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,470
and get into different world religions

931
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:27,599
and different aspects this is exactly

932
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,730
what they have been referencing forever

933
00:45:37,220 --> 00:45:34,079
yeah in fact you know one of the reasons

934
00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:37,230
a big fan of the simulation hypothesis

935
00:45:42,019 --> 00:45:39,900
is that science and religion have kind

936
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,029
of gone their separate ways many times

937
00:45:46,450 --> 00:45:44,880
right a lot of academics and scientists

938
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:46,460
don't take religion seriously

939
00:45:51,730 --> 00:45:49,310
except as a social contract they've

940
00:45:53,859 --> 00:45:51,740
given up trying to explain any of the

941
00:45:56,380 --> 00:45:53,869
things that are talked about you know on

942
00:45:58,270 --> 00:45:56,390
the religious side but turns out the

943
00:46:01,530 --> 00:45:58,280
simulation hypothesis provides a

944
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:01,540
scientific basis for a lot of what

945
00:46:06,339 --> 00:46:04,130
different religions have been telling us

946
00:46:08,260 --> 00:46:06,349
right and it turns out it's not just the

947
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:08,270
Western religions but the Eastern

948
00:46:15,790 --> 00:46:12,710
religions they both fit very well I mean

949
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:15,800
I I'll give you an example so you know I

950
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:20,330
grew up in a Muslim household and the

951
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:22,970
Quran being one of the Abrahamic you

952
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:25,130
know religions with Islam Judaism and

953
00:46:30,940 --> 00:46:28,130
Christianity they talk about the scroll

954
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:30,950
of Deeds which gets recorded by these

955
00:46:34,990 --> 00:46:33,410
recording angels and they sit there and

956
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:35,000
they record every little deed that you

957
00:46:39,790 --> 00:46:37,490
do and you know this is what they told

958
00:46:43,329 --> 00:46:39,800
us when we were growing up and then

959
00:46:45,940 --> 00:46:43,339
later after you die you have to account

960
00:46:48,490 --> 00:46:45,950
for those and turns out God shows you

961
00:46:50,770 --> 00:46:48,500
those deeds and he shows them to you in

962
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:50,780
a different way because you may not be

963
00:46:55,900 --> 00:46:53,450
aware of how your actions affected other

964
00:46:57,550 --> 00:46:55,910
people and so you can't just see a list

965
00:47:00,609 --> 00:46:57,560
you have to actually see what the impact

966
00:47:02,290 --> 00:47:00,619
was of those deeds well just last year I

967
00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:02,300
was working with a start-up that could

968
00:47:09,579 --> 00:47:07,310
render inside a video game in 3d from

969
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:09,589
any point inside the game so if anyone's

970
00:47:13,180 --> 00:47:11,119
played World of Warcraft or League of

971
00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:13,190
Legends there's a 3d World and normally

972
00:47:18,010 --> 00:47:15,220
you can only see your characters

973
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:18,020
perspective but we were able to put the

974
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:20,450
virtual camera anywhere inside the game

975
00:47:25,930 --> 00:47:23,210
so you could literally see what the game

976
00:47:27,849 --> 00:47:25,940
looked like from another player's

977
00:47:30,609 --> 00:47:27,859
perspective so you could see exactly

978
00:47:33,310 --> 00:47:30,619
what you did to them and it turns out

979
00:47:35,710 --> 00:47:33,320
you know they're probably aren't you

980
00:47:38,260 --> 00:47:35,720
know 14 billion angels - for each of us

981
00:47:41,230 --> 00:47:38,270
if all they do is record things most

982
00:47:42,670 --> 00:47:41,240
likely it would have to be an AI of some

983
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:42,680
type that's recording these like a

984
00:47:47,650 --> 00:47:45,050
screen capture in a video game and then

985
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,660
you can play it back and so you know it

986
00:47:52,089 --> 00:47:49,280
turns out that a lot of what that the

987
00:47:53,770 --> 00:47:52,099
world's religions were talking about was

988
00:47:55,420 --> 00:47:53,780
very similar to the simulation

989
00:47:57,550 --> 00:47:55,430
hypothesis I mean you had dannion

990
00:47:58,900 --> 00:47:57,560
brinkley on your show many times and you

991
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:58,910
know he and I have talked about this a

992
00:48:01,880 --> 00:47:59,760
lot and

993
00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:01,890
when he had his near-death experience

994
00:48:06,859 --> 00:48:04,350
you know he was shown a life review he

995
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:06,869
called it a panoramic 360 life review

996
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:10,140
where you would actually see the effects

997
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:11,609
of your actions you know if you point

998
00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:13,140
someone or you shot someone you would

999
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:14,910
see it from their point of view and the

1000
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:16,890
only way to do that is to record it in

1001
00:48:21,290 --> 00:48:18,930
this kind of a 3d way in the same way

1002
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:21,300
that we use screen capture within video

1003
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:23,130
games and then to re-render it

1004
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:24,480
afterwards so it turns out the

1005
00:48:29,810 --> 00:48:27,330
technology of video games you know

1006
00:48:30,730 --> 00:48:29,820
explains pretty well you know many of

1007
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:30,740
the things and that's just one example

1008
00:48:38,660 --> 00:48:34,290
isn't that I mean couldn't you take like

1009
00:48:42,730 --> 00:48:38,670
the example of heaven and earth where

1010
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:42,740
heaven is presented as the real world

1011
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:47,520
right that earth is just a is is not the

1012
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:48,330
real thing

1013
00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:51,090
heaven is heaven is the real world and

1014
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:54,180
there's an example of if you're you know

1015
00:48:58,940 --> 00:48:56,010
if you're down here on earth you're

1016
00:49:02,240 --> 00:48:58,950
living in the simulation the real world

1017
00:49:03,620 --> 00:49:02,250
is heaven that's exactly right and

1018
00:49:05,330 --> 00:49:03,630
that's what you know the world's

1019
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,340
religions have been telling us all along

1020
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:07,680
is that what we're seeing is more of a

1021
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:11,280
training ground right where score is

1022
00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:14,640
being kept and we are being judged based

1023
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:17,910
on those actions in the real world and

1024
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:20,609
we won't know that you know until we die

1025
00:49:28,820 --> 00:49:25,040
and and so you know consciousness is

1026
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:28,830
downloaded if you will to the body at

1027
00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:32,609
birth and then uploaded it from the body

1028
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,220
afterwards at death so you're back in

1029
00:49:39,140 --> 00:49:37,200
the real world and so what does that

1030
00:49:42,410 --> 00:49:39,150
sound like it sounds a lot like a

1031
00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:42,420
role-playing game yep where you end up

1032
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:45,000
taking on a particular character but a

1033
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:46,800
very immersive one right so it's very

1034
00:49:51,620 --> 00:49:49,410
hard for us to remember these other

1035
00:49:54,620 --> 00:49:51,630
realms while we're here so it's a fully

1036
00:49:56,060 --> 00:49:54,630
immersive game but you know this idea of

1037
00:49:58,310 --> 00:49:56,070
downloading consciousness is something

1038
00:50:00,320 --> 00:49:58,320
that Silicon Valley is taking very

1039
00:50:01,490 --> 00:50:00,330
seriously now right you have people who

1040
00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:01,500
are talking about downloading your

1041
00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:03,720
consciousness into a silicon device well

1042
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:05,160
it turns out you know the religions have

1043
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:06,930
been telling us all along and

1044
00:50:11,980 --> 00:50:09,170
particularly as you look at the Eastern

1045
00:50:14,589 --> 00:50:11,990
traditions like Buddhism and Hinduism

1046
00:50:16,450 --> 00:50:14,599
and that whole line I mean they've been

1047
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:16,460
explicitly telling us and you don't even

1048
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:18,290
have to draw an analogy they've been

1049
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:20,810
saying that what we see is Maya or

1050
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:23,810
illusion right this isn't the real world

1051
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:26,510
and the real world is beyond that

1052
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:28,910
illusion in fact in the Vedas the Hindu

1053
00:50:34,030 --> 00:50:31,250
traditions they have a term called the

1054
00:50:36,370 --> 00:50:34,040
Leela which is the grand play a stage

1055
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:36,380
play right we get so caught up in the

1056
00:50:41,170 --> 00:50:38,810
stage play of life that we're caught in

1057
00:50:42,970 --> 00:50:41,180
this illusion of Maya and we think we're

1058
00:50:44,410 --> 00:50:42,980
in the real world well you know

1059
00:50:46,780 --> 00:50:44,420
obviously back then they didn't have

1060
00:50:50,349 --> 00:50:46,790
video games so a stage place seemed like

1061
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:50,359
a good road analogy but today if it's an

1062
00:50:55,630 --> 00:50:53,210
interactive stage play with lots and

1063
00:50:58,420 --> 00:50:55,640
lots of characters that are being coming

1064
00:51:00,780 --> 00:50:58,430
in and out of the play it sounds a heck

1065
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:00,790
of a lot like a you know multiplayer

1066
00:51:05,290 --> 00:51:03,290
online role-playing game where you take

1067
00:51:06,910 --> 00:51:05,300
on these different personas and you

1068
00:51:09,820 --> 00:51:06,920
download into it and then you download

1069
00:51:11,380 --> 00:51:09,830
out of it what is it that way you know

1070
00:51:13,810 --> 00:51:11,390
we talk about it so often

1071
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:13,820
Riz about what the ancients knew and

1072
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:16,640
what we've lost over time but when you

1073
00:51:22,270 --> 00:51:18,290
go back and you look at the Vedic text

1074
00:51:25,390 --> 00:51:22,280
or is Sumerian text or what Plato wrote

1075
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:25,400
about and all of the other imagery from

1076
00:51:33,810 --> 00:51:29,930
from Greece and Rome in Egypt where this

1077
00:51:37,390 --> 00:51:33,820
conversation was pretty solid you know

1078
00:51:39,339 --> 00:51:37,400
about the possibility of not knowing

1079
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:39,349
what the real world is that we are

1080
00:51:44,349 --> 00:51:42,290
living in something else yeah and

1081
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:44,359
there's a very famous you know allegory

1082
00:51:48,579 --> 00:51:46,310
that Plato wrote about in the republic

1083
00:51:50,530 --> 00:51:48,589
of the cave which probably many

1084
00:51:52,210 --> 00:51:50,540
listeners have heard of but the basic

1085
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:52,220
idea was he said if you if you're in a

1086
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:54,170
cave and you're chained to a wall and

1087
00:51:59,170 --> 00:51:57,170
you can't really see outside the cave

1088
00:52:01,420 --> 00:51:59,180
but you can see you know from the mouth

1089
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:01,430
of the cave you can see shadows of

1090
00:52:07,359 --> 00:52:05,210
what's going on outside the cave and you

1091
00:52:10,060 --> 00:52:07,369
know Plato used the analogy that that is

1092
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:10,070
what we are like we're like prisoners

1093
00:52:13,859 --> 00:52:11,930
chained to the wall and we only see

1094
00:52:18,010 --> 00:52:13,869
shadows so you develop a whole

1095
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:18,020
vocabulary for what is going on based on

1096
00:52:20,500 --> 00:52:19,609
these shadows that we're seeing against

1097
00:52:22,420 --> 00:52:20,510
the wall but we don't know where the

1098
00:52:24,339 --> 00:52:22,430
lights coming from you know the Sun

1099
00:52:25,660 --> 00:52:24,349
could be outside the cave and it could

1100
00:52:28,420 --> 00:52:25,670
be causing these shadows and

1101
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:28,430
reflections of real people and he also

1102
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:31,040
said that if someone were to escape from

1103
00:52:35,049 --> 00:52:33,290
the cave first he would be blinded by

1104
00:52:36,609 --> 00:52:35,059
the light but then secondly if he came

1105
00:52:38,049 --> 00:52:36,619
back and tried to tell everybody that's

1106
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:38,059
chained up in the cave what happened

1107
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:41,359
they would say he was crazy which is

1108
00:52:45,370 --> 00:52:43,760
often what happens when somebody has an

1109
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:45,380
Enlightenment experience and they feel

1110
00:52:50,170 --> 00:52:47,450
that they've you know glimpsed something

1111
00:52:53,799 --> 00:52:50,180
beyond the the illicit world around us

1112
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:53,809
and so all of these traditions this idea

1113
00:53:00,460 --> 00:52:57,170
of you know reincarnation as well where

1114
00:53:03,099 --> 00:53:00,470
you have a set of tasks that get built

1115
00:53:04,750 --> 00:53:03,109
up so you know you mentioned that I'm a

1116
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:04,760
video game designer and I've been

1117
00:53:06,579 --> 00:53:06,170
working on video games for the past ten

1118
00:53:09,220 --> 00:53:06,589
years

1119
00:53:11,890 --> 00:53:09,230
well most video games have this idea of

1120
00:53:13,539 --> 00:53:11,900
a quest engine and you have to like you

1121
00:53:16,270 --> 00:53:13,549
know go kill the goblin king or you have

1122
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:16,280
to go get this many pieces of gold or

1123
00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:17,119
you have to find this particular

1124
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:19,369
treasure and when you complete the quest

1125
00:53:25,089 --> 00:53:22,400
you go on to the next quest well if you

1126
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:25,099
look at the structure of karma and how

1127
00:53:30,099 --> 00:53:26,960
its described in the eastern text it's

1128
00:53:32,740 --> 00:53:30,109
basically a way to keep track of these

1129
00:53:34,030 --> 00:53:32,750
things that you have to do so you know

1130
00:53:35,530 --> 00:53:34,040
they tell us in the Eastern traditions

1131
00:53:37,569 --> 00:53:35,540
that we create karma with all of our

1132
00:53:39,490 --> 00:53:37,579
actions well how would that actually

1133
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:39,500
work it would have to be stored

1134
00:53:46,089 --> 00:53:43,250
somewhere outside the rendered world and

1135
00:53:48,609 --> 00:53:46,099
then we would have to basically as we go

1136
00:53:50,049 --> 00:53:48,619
through the world and particularly as

1137
00:53:52,510 --> 00:53:50,059
you go into the next life you would have

1138
00:53:54,609 --> 00:53:52,520
to then go and take care of that karma

1139
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:54,619
so if you think of a series of quests

1140
00:53:59,559 --> 00:53:57,890
that are there you know it turns out and

1141
00:54:01,390 --> 00:53:59,569
in the book I have a whole diagram of

1142
00:54:03,339 --> 00:54:01,400
what a quest engine would look like that

1143
00:54:06,099 --> 00:54:03,349
could explain Karma provides a pretty

1144
00:54:08,260 --> 00:54:06,109
interesting scientific basis for this

1145
00:54:09,789 --> 00:54:08,270
model that people have been telling us

1146
00:54:12,250 --> 00:54:09,799
you know all through the ages this is

1147
00:54:16,859 --> 00:54:12,260
really how the universe works yeah I

1148
00:54:20,349 --> 00:54:16,869
also look at it's a weird way to

1149
00:54:21,970 --> 00:54:20,359
understand this but if you look at a

1150
00:54:25,390 --> 00:54:21,980
fish in a fish bowl

1151
00:54:28,660 --> 00:54:25,400
okay that's his world and we look out

1152
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:28,670
here a you know our living room right

1153
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:30,559
and you've got the fish bowl sitting on

1154
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:34,400
the coffee table that fish did and that

1155
00:54:39,380 --> 00:54:36,799
us out here in the living that's a whole

1156
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:39,390
nother dimension right he doesn't he

1157
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:41,369
understanding he didn't even see it he

1158
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,880
doesn't understand Trull ate to it but

1159
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,559
you take him out of that fishmoley to

1160
00:54:50,450 --> 00:54:48,720
have a heart attack he wouldn't he could

1161
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:50,460
not you know what I mean he couldn't

1162
00:54:56,029 --> 00:54:53,730
relate to well we could be the fish in

1163
00:54:58,190 --> 00:54:56,039
the fishbowl and we could be part of

1164
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:58,200
that and we don't understand really

1165
00:55:02,660 --> 00:54:59,760
what's going on with this other

1166
00:55:06,529 --> 00:55:02,670
dimension that could be outside of of

1167
00:55:08,329 --> 00:55:06,539
where we exist yeah I think that's you

1168
00:55:10,370 --> 00:55:08,339
know exactly right and the fish flow

1169
00:55:13,250 --> 00:55:10,380
analogy is a good one because you know

1170
00:55:16,009 --> 00:55:13,260
the material world being like the water

1171
00:55:18,019 --> 00:55:16,019
in this case and so you know this is

1172
00:55:20,029 --> 00:55:18,029
when if you were to take a purely

1173
00:55:23,509 --> 00:55:20,039
materialistic view of the world you know

1174
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:23,519
you would say that you know there's just

1175
00:55:27,170 --> 00:55:25,650
the water and nothing outside of that

1176
00:55:29,420 --> 00:55:27,180
could actually exist and you couldn't

1177
00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:29,430
really figure out how this stuff worked

1178
00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:32,329
but we've had hints and clues all along

1179
00:55:38,259 --> 00:55:35,369
and you know even as you get into the

1180
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:38,269
physics and you get into the biology

1181
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:43,680
every field of science is basically

1182
00:55:49,549 --> 00:55:46,410
finding that underneath it's all about

1183
00:55:52,579 --> 00:55:49,559
information in computation and it's not

1184
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,589
so much about the physical world itself

1185
00:55:56,359 --> 00:55:54,720
and so I think that's an important point

1186
00:55:58,690 --> 00:55:56,369
that's why you know the simulation

1187
00:56:02,059 --> 00:55:58,700
hypothesis I think can bridge the gap

1188
00:56:05,150 --> 00:56:02,069
between the spiritual and religious

1189
00:56:06,589 --> 00:56:05,160
traditions and the materialistic you

1190
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:06,599
know scientific point of view I

1191
00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:09,000
mentioned Oxford's Nick Bostrom you know

1192
00:56:12,589 --> 00:56:10,980
he he says online that many times he

1193
00:56:15,019 --> 00:56:12,599
said a friends of his who were

1194
00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:15,029
university professors were atheists who

1195
00:56:18,140 --> 00:56:16,200
after they look at the simulation

1196
00:56:21,620 --> 00:56:18,150
hypothesis a little more seriously say

1197
00:56:24,499 --> 00:56:21,630
well maybe the logical thing to do is to

1198
00:56:27,019 --> 00:56:24,509
be an agnostic because anyone that was

1199
00:56:29,809 --> 00:56:27,029
outside the simulation might look like

1200
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:29,819
gods or eight angels or super high

1201
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:31,529
overall beings to the people inside the

1202
00:56:35,059 --> 00:56:32,880
simulation right from the fish's

1203
00:56:36,890 --> 00:56:35,069
perspective but we can pick up the bowl

1204
00:56:41,319 --> 00:56:36,900
and move it looking what kind of beings

1205
00:56:44,749 --> 00:56:41,329
are we for from that perspective the

1206
00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:44,759
ties together that's exactly the point

1207
00:56:50,509 --> 00:56:47,220
I mean how mind blowing is that well for

1208
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:50,519
us moving the fishbowl is just moving

1209
00:56:52,740 --> 00:56:51,359
the fishbowl

1210
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:52,750
so a

1211
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:55,810
as being the fish not understanding who

1212
00:57:01,740 --> 00:56:58,000
could be controlling us outside of our

1213
00:57:04,350 --> 00:57:01,750
world it's a fascinating thought and if

1214
00:57:06,330 --> 00:57:04,360
it's as simple for us to grasp about the

1215
00:57:08,310 --> 00:57:06,340
fishbowl then what would be the

1216
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:08,320
difference the answer's nothing there

1217
00:57:13,710 --> 00:57:11,920
isn't a difference yeah that's right and

1218
00:57:17,610 --> 00:57:13,720
so things that look supernatural or

1219
00:57:21,060 --> 00:57:17,620
actually just a regular part you know of

1220
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:21,070
how the world works yeah I talked about

1221
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:23,050
downloading of consciousness since we're

1222
00:57:27,180 --> 00:57:24,970
talking about the the ancient traditions

1223
00:57:30,030 --> 00:57:27,190
I'll talk a little bit more about that

1224
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:30,040
you know in the Tibetan traditions they

1225
00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:31,810
say that the world is like a dream and

1226
00:57:36,420 --> 00:57:33,670
this is an analogy that comes up again

1227
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:36,430
and again and you know what is a dream

1228
00:57:43,140 --> 00:57:39,370
but a mini simulation right when we're

1229
00:57:45,690 --> 00:57:43,150
inside of it we think that it's real but

1230
00:57:47,310 --> 00:57:45,700
then we wake up and we realize that it

1231
00:57:49,590 --> 00:57:47,320
wasn't necessarily real well in the

1232
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:49,600
Tibetan traditions there's a whole field

1233
00:57:54,270 --> 00:57:52,480
called dream yoga and the idea is they

1234
00:57:56,940 --> 00:57:54,280
train you to wake up within the dream

1235
00:58:00,240 --> 00:57:56,950
and to realize that the dream you're

1236
00:58:03,210 --> 00:58:00,250
seeing is an illusion and that process

1237
00:58:05,490 --> 00:58:03,220
is meant to then help you wake up in

1238
00:58:07,890 --> 00:58:05,500
real life kind of I guess the that would

1239
00:58:09,540 --> 00:58:07,900
be the the Tibetan Buddhist version of

1240
00:58:12,090 --> 00:58:09,550
the red pill you know versus the blue

1241
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:12,100
pill to actually realize that what's

1242
00:58:17,610 --> 00:58:15,730
going on around you is is like a dream

1243
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:17,620
and that the consciousness you know

1244
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:19,090
there's a consciousness outside of it

1245
00:58:24,270 --> 00:58:21,850
and so this is why I like the videogame

1246
00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:24,280
analogy because in video games you have

1247
00:58:29,790 --> 00:58:26,950
a player and then you have a character a

1248
00:58:31,710 --> 00:58:29,800
PC that a player character that you are

1249
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:31,720
playing and so there's consciousness

1250
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:33,760
outside of the game and there's a player

1251
00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:35,710
within the video game now not everybody

1252
00:58:39,450 --> 00:58:37,270
subscribes to that right some people

1253
00:58:42,540 --> 00:58:39,460
think we're in a simulation and

1254
00:58:44,310 --> 00:58:42,550
everybody is just AI or simulated

1255
00:58:46,290 --> 00:58:44,320
consciousness right and so those that

1256
00:58:49,290 --> 00:58:46,300
that's a big debate within the world of

1257
00:58:51,090 --> 00:58:49,300
the simulation hypothesis but I tend to

1258
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:51,100
subscribe to the that's why you know

1259
00:58:55,410 --> 00:58:53,050
video games is in the in this book I

1260
00:58:57,540 --> 00:58:55,420
really use my background in designing

1261
00:58:58,770 --> 00:58:57,550
and creating video games and I was

1262
00:59:00,900 --> 00:58:58,780
talking about the Tibetan traditions

1263
00:59:03,330 --> 00:59:00,910
they also have what are called the sixty

1264
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:03,340
Oguz of Naropa one of which is dream

1265
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:05,290
yoga turns out there's a there's a

1266
00:59:08,020 --> 00:59:06,170
secret

1267
00:59:11,140 --> 00:59:08,030
vii yoga called the yoga of

1268
00:59:12,610 --> 00:59:11,150
consciousness projects forceful

1269
00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:12,620
projection and consciousness

1270
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:14,510
transference and the idea is you can

1271
00:59:17,620 --> 00:59:16,250
actually if you're trained to do this

1272
00:59:19,660 --> 00:59:17,630
and they keep it secret for obvious

1273
00:59:21,790 --> 00:59:19,670
reasons you can actually project your

1274
00:59:24,550 --> 00:59:21,800
consciousness out of your body into

1275
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:24,560
another biological organism so it's just

1276
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:26,450
like learning how to upload and download

1277
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:28,640
your consciousness and there's a famous

1278
00:59:35,890 --> 00:59:33,200
story of marpa who is a famous tibetan

1279
00:59:38,170 --> 00:59:35,900
yogi his son fell off a horse and was

1280
00:59:40,810 --> 00:59:38,180
about to die he ended up projecting his

1281
00:59:43,330 --> 00:59:40,820
consciousness into a pigeon that was

1282
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:43,340
nearby the pigeon flew to India and he

1283
00:59:47,710 --> 00:59:45,200
then transferred his consciousness to a

1284
00:59:49,180 --> 00:59:47,720
recently deceased younger man you know

1285
00:59:51,700 --> 00:59:49,190
they had these graveyards back then they

1286
00:59:53,290 --> 00:59:51,710
didn't always cremate people and he

1287
00:59:55,900 --> 00:59:53,300
basically transformed himself into a new

1288
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:55,910
body and kept teaching you know that

1289
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:58,400
that yoga of consciousness transference

1290
01:00:02,890 --> 01:00:01,280
so it sounds a little morbid but you

1291
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:02,900
know it's not unlike what people in

1292
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:04,250
Silicon Valley are talking about today

1293
01:00:08,380 --> 01:00:06,170
which is saying they want to transfer

1294
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:08,390
their consciousness to Silicon to try to

1295
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:11,920
get to this idea of digital immortality

1296
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:14,480
let's take a break right here our guest

1297
01:00:18,670 --> 01:00:14,930
tonight

1298
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:18,680
Riz virk talking about his book the

1299
01:00:23,620 --> 01:00:21,290
simulation hypothesis and of course you

1300
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:23,630
can go to Zen entrepreneur.com

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welcome back fade to black chimera me

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church tonight rizz Burke is with us

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discussing his new book the simulation

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Zen entrepreneur.com the links for that

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override Jimmy Church radio calm and now

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picking up where we left off whereas I

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want to really get into the science side

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of this I think that everybody is

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waiting for you know the physicists and

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scientists around the world will step up

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and go okay it's all a simulation okay

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and and here's why but before we get to

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that I want to throw this out what if

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because the consciousness side of this

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and downloading that it's one thing with

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ones and zeros but let's say that you

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exist in a simulated reality right and

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and Risberg then goes in and downloads

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his consciousness and self inside of

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said simulation wait a minute

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are we creating some kind of crazy

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feedback loop and then inside of that

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simulation you do it once again and you

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are now two or three times removed from

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what would be perceived as your real

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self all right so it's like a matrix you

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01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:38,609
know within the matrix right and this is

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01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:42,480
something that I think is very it's

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01:07:47,390 --> 01:07:45,599
speculated a lot you know within people

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01:07:49,970 --> 01:07:47,400
who like to talk about the simulation

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01:07:52,430 --> 01:07:49,980
hypothesis and you know in my book I

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01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:52,440
spent about a third of the book talking

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01:07:58,130 --> 01:07:55,290
about the technology and how would we

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01:07:59,599 --> 01:07:58,140
build the matrix in fact a head article

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01:08:01,609 --> 01:07:59,609
in TechCrunch today that was you know

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how to build a matrix looking at the

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technology twenty years later and

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01:08:12,289 --> 01:08:08,250
basically the first parts of that

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01:08:13,970 --> 01:08:12,299
roadmap you know map pretty well to what

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01:08:15,470 --> 01:08:13,980
we've already developed in terms of our

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video games starting with text

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adventures which came up with this idea

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of a world in the computer right before

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that and one had ever really thought

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about that and you had to use your mind

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to really

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realized the world right then we went to

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arcade games like asteroids and Space

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01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:34,859
Invaders and you know I used to play on

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my Atari back in the early nineties you

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01:08:41,420 --> 01:08:38,460
know I used to play these racing games

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01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,430
and I'd always wonder what was going on

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in that that racing game beyond the

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racetrack and the people in the

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bleachers and I would see clouds and

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cityscapes beyond that and wonder you

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01:08:54,110 --> 01:08:51,630
know what's what's over there in that

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01:08:56,329 --> 01:08:54,120
simulated world I don't know if you ever

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played asteroids but you could go off of

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the top of the screen and you would

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appear your ship would appear at the

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bottom of the screen so there was a

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geometry to this graphical world which

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was being rendered with pixels right and

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then you know there's like 10 stages

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that we go through but as we represent

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the world as 3d models that's where the

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01:09:20,030 --> 01:09:18,540
optimization comes and we'll talk about

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that along with the quantum physics but

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eventually some of the later stages to

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really truly build a simulation like The

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01:09:30,740 --> 01:09:27,630
Matrix you know we would have to fool

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ourselves into thinking that we are in

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the real world again and so we would

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have to beam that those pixels no longer

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onto a screen or even a virtual reality

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glasses but we would have to beam them

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into the mind itself and so mind

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broadcast and then we would have to be

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01:09:53,480 --> 01:09:51,390
able to get the responses back for what

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01:09:54,830 --> 01:09:53,490
you want to do in that world so we would

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01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:54,840
have to read them now in the movie The

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01:10:03,170 --> 01:09:58,320
Matrix right when neo woke up he was in

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a pod which had a physical connection in

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the back of his head and the cerebral

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01:10:09,620 --> 01:10:07,110
cortex and that's how they jacked into

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01:10:11,540 --> 01:10:09,630
the matrix was well then so that's

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technology that we're people are still

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01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:14,310
working on this idea of brain computer

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01:10:19,310 --> 01:10:16,610
interfaces but it's actually a pretty

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01:10:21,980 --> 01:10:19,320
popular area right now and more and more

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01:10:23,630 --> 01:10:21,990
startups including one funded by Elon

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01:10:25,610 --> 01:10:23,640
Musk called neural link and one in

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01:10:27,980 --> 01:10:25,620
Boston called numerable and and many

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01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:27,990
others are starting to have technology

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01:10:34,580 --> 01:10:30,510
developed so you know we would be able

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01:10:37,010 --> 01:10:34,590
at some point within a decade two

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01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:37,020
decades three decades to be able to

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01:10:41,190 --> 01:10:39,450
create real simulations so I call this

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01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:41,200
the simulation point

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01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:43,510
there's about 10 stages they described

1527
01:10:47,690 --> 01:10:45,490
in the book to the simulation point and

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01:10:49,620 --> 01:10:47,700
once the civilization gets there right

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01:10:51,420 --> 01:10:49,630
then we could do what you're talking

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01:10:55,470 --> 01:10:51,430
about which is I could then download

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01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:55,480
myself into another simulation now at

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01:11:02,730 --> 01:10:59,440
some point the resources you know are

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01:11:05,310 --> 01:11:02,740
limited and this is where you know as

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01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:05,320
you understand the computer science you

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01:11:10,590 --> 01:11:07,930
realize that it's all about optimizing

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01:11:13,530 --> 01:11:10,600
limited resources and so some people

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01:11:15,780 --> 01:11:13,540
think that there is a limit to how much

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01:11:18,300 --> 01:11:15,790
we'll be able to simulate if we're

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01:11:20,850 --> 01:11:18,310
inside a simulation because we only have

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01:11:23,580 --> 01:11:20,860
the computing power of the processors

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01:11:26,250 --> 01:11:23,590
that are running the simulation outside

1542
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:26,260
of the one that we're in if that makes

1543
01:11:30,180 --> 01:11:26,650
sense right

1544
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:30,190
it does it does but when you have you

1545
01:11:37,230 --> 01:11:32,320
know like Neil deGrasse Tyson or Brian

1546
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:37,240
green or Ray Kurzweil or Elon Musk and

1547
01:11:43,860 --> 01:11:40,570
Stephen Hawking suggesting this to

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01:11:46,740 --> 01:11:43,870
everybody their words have weight right

1549
01:11:49,710 --> 01:11:46,750
and the power of suggestion is very very

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01:11:53,070 --> 01:11:49,720
strong and I have to ask what is it that

1551
01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:53,080
they know that they fully understand and

1552
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:55,450
they grasp and that we don't when it

1553
01:12:00,810 --> 01:11:57,610
comes to the possibility of living in a

1554
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:00,820
simulation well I think you know the

1555
01:12:04,890 --> 01:12:03,040
physicists and the technologists right

1556
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:04,900
again these are considered separate

1557
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:08,530
fields right Computer Sciences one field

1558
01:12:14,570 --> 01:12:12,880
and physics is another field but they're

1559
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:14,580
starting to see that they're actually

1560
01:12:19,470 --> 01:12:17,730
related right and particularly with

1561
01:12:22,290 --> 01:12:19,480
quantum computing

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01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:22,300
you start to see the convergence of

1563
01:12:27,150 --> 01:12:24,400
basically every single field into

1564
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:27,160
computer science or information there

1565
01:12:33,060 --> 01:12:30,010
was a famous there was a famous

1566
01:12:34,740 --> 01:12:33,070
physicist named John Wheeler Wright who

1567
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:34,750
was involved in everything from the

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01:12:39,870 --> 01:12:37,360
discovery of black holes to parallel

1569
01:12:42,930 --> 01:12:39,880
universes and other things and and in

1570
01:12:46,230 --> 01:12:42,940
his biography you know he came up with

1571
01:12:48,180 --> 01:12:46,240
his phrase it from bits right where he

1572
01:12:50,730 --> 01:12:48,190
basically said he went through three

1573
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:50,740
phases of physics in his long career and

1574
01:12:54,010 --> 01:12:52,090
he was you know he worked with it was

1575
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:54,020
like a last living physicist to

1576
01:12:58,030 --> 01:12:56,000
work with Einstein and he said in the in

1577
01:12:59,980 --> 01:12:58,040
the first phase we all thought that

1578
01:13:03,490 --> 01:12:59,990
physics was about studying matter

1579
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:03,500
particles actual physical objects in the

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01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:05,120
second phase which was some of the

1581
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:06,320
quantum stuff that we'll talk about a

1582
01:13:08,860 --> 01:13:06,800
minute

1583
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:08,870
he said well everything was a field

1584
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:11,570
turns out it wasn't physical at all it

1585
01:13:15,970 --> 01:13:13,970
was a set of probabilities and then

1586
01:13:18,910 --> 01:13:15,980
later in the third stage of his career

1587
01:13:21,580 --> 01:13:18,920
he realized that everything was bits or

1588
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:21,590
information wasn't even a feel that was

1589
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:24,560
zeros or ones and so you know if

1590
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:27,890
everything at its core is basically

1591
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:30,290
information then you can start to do

1592
01:13:34,750 --> 01:13:32,080
things like quantum teleportation

1593
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:34,760
teleporting you know an object from one

1594
01:13:39,550 --> 01:13:36,170
place to another right now they've been

1595
01:13:41,980 --> 01:13:39,560
able to teleport the quantum state of a

1596
01:13:45,070 --> 01:13:41,990
photon or of an object somewhere else

1597
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:45,080
but really it's the information that

1598
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:47,450
gets transferred and and so I think when

1599
01:13:52,750 --> 01:13:49,520
when you know these physicists and these

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01:13:55,450 --> 01:13:52,760
technologists are talking about this

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01:13:58,090 --> 01:13:55,460
stuff you know they're seeing that that

1602
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:58,100
information is at the source of

1603
01:14:03,010 --> 01:14:00,560
underneath everything and that's why

1604
01:14:05,530 --> 01:14:03,020
they're taking it so seriously I think

1605
01:14:07,900 --> 01:14:05,540
in Stephen Hawking's put it at about a

1606
01:14:09,460 --> 01:14:07,910
50/50 you know chance that we were

1607
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:09,470
living inside a simulation Elon Musk

1608
01:14:14,710 --> 01:14:11,930
says it's about a billion to one that

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01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:14,720
we're inside the simulation meaning that

1610
01:14:19,390 --> 01:14:16,370
it's a billion that we are in fact

1611
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:19,400
inside a simulation and don't we expect

1612
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:24,800
them to be balanced right you expect

1613
01:14:31,810 --> 01:14:28,640
those very smart Minds not to go in this

1614
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:31,820
direction but for them to go with this

1615
01:14:38,530 --> 01:14:35,450
direction so freely and to be accepting

1616
01:14:40,690 --> 01:14:38,540
of this possibility really says

1617
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:40,700
something and it scares us because you

1618
01:14:44,710 --> 01:14:43,040
have the physical side and the

1619
01:14:46,780 --> 01:14:44,720
information side and you have the

1620
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:46,790
conscious side of things and

1621
01:14:53,980 --> 01:14:49,520
consciousness and is that the barrier

1622
01:14:57,550 --> 01:14:53,990
it's one thing to to get to the ones and

1623
01:14:59,740 --> 01:14:57,560
zeros of memories and stored stuff in

1624
01:15:02,230 --> 01:14:59,750
our brains but then we have the stuff

1625
01:15:03,410 --> 01:15:02,240
that makes R is R is and Jimmy Jimmy and

1626
01:15:07,970 --> 01:15:03,420
how do

1627
01:15:10,430 --> 01:15:07,980
that get moved over yeah so you know

1628
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:10,440
again it depends on your interpretation

1629
01:15:16,250 --> 01:15:13,290
of the simulation hypothesis you know as

1630
01:15:18,350 --> 01:15:16,260
I said in my case I tend to view us as

1631
01:15:21,290 --> 01:15:18,360
conscious beings outside the simulation

1632
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:21,300
who are playing a character within the

1633
01:15:26,660 --> 01:15:23,730
simulation just like going back to the

1634
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:26,670
Tibetans when we dream we have a body in

1635
01:15:33,260 --> 01:15:29,040
the dream but that's not really us right

1636
01:15:36,050 --> 01:15:33,270
that's inside the the simulation now one

1637
01:15:37,550 --> 01:15:36,060
of the reasons that you know back in 20

1638
01:15:41,060 --> 01:15:37,560
years ago and in fact the matrix came

1639
01:15:44,419 --> 01:15:41,070
out on March 31st 1999 which is

1640
01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:44,429
literally 20 years to the day that my

1641
01:15:48,890 --> 01:15:46,260
book is gonna be released and March 31st

1642
01:15:49,820 --> 01:15:48,900
in about a week and a half here but you

1643
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:49,830
know people didn't take it that

1644
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:52,050
seriously at the time because the

1645
01:15:57,470 --> 01:15:54,960
technology wasn't there so I mentioned

1646
01:15:58,669 --> 01:15:57,480
earlier the Oxford philosopher named

1647
01:16:00,709 --> 01:15:58,679
Nick Bostrom so he came out with a

1648
01:16:02,930 --> 01:16:00,719
simulation argument and he wasn't really

1649
01:16:04,430 --> 01:16:02,940
a video game guy or a computer guy so

1650
01:16:05,450 --> 01:16:04,440
you know all the stuff I talked about

1651
01:16:07,550 --> 01:16:05,460
the technology he doesn't really talk

1652
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:07,560
about that but his argument was that

1653
01:16:15,140 --> 01:16:12,560
suppose a civilization somewhere created

1654
01:16:18,140 --> 01:16:15,150
something like the matrix a simulated

1655
01:16:19,939 --> 01:16:18,150
world and in in my parlance I'd say they

1656
01:16:22,430 --> 01:16:19,949
got to the simulation point and he said

1657
01:16:24,110 --> 01:16:22,440
you know in order to to have more beings

1658
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:24,120
they would just need more servers so you

1659
01:16:28,850 --> 01:16:26,400
could literally have billions of or

1660
01:16:30,350 --> 01:16:28,860
trillions of beings within these

1661
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:30,360
simulations you could have billions of

1662
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:32,400
simulations with trillions of beings

1663
01:16:37,850 --> 01:16:36,000
inside them and so if you counted up all

1664
01:16:40,370 --> 01:16:37,860
the beings that were inside the

1665
01:16:42,100 --> 01:16:40,380
simulations and you can ended up all the

1666
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:42,110
beings that we're outside the simulation

1667
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:44,130
clearly the number of beings in the

1668
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:46,890
simulations is much more therefore if

1669
01:16:52,820 --> 01:16:49,890
any civilization ever gets to this point

1670
01:16:54,169 --> 01:16:52,830
right anywhere in the galaxy you could

1671
01:16:55,970 --> 01:16:54,179
have a civilization that's a million

1672
01:16:58,459 --> 01:16:55,980
years ahead of us that is able to create

1673
01:17:00,169 --> 01:16:58,469
these kind of simulations then we are

1674
01:17:02,510 --> 01:17:00,179
more likely to be simulated beings

1675
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:02,520
inside the simulation then an actual

1676
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:05,010
biological being and so when he

1677
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:07,770
published that paper in 2003 suddenly

1678
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:10,050
you know all these smart people at

1679
01:17:14,209 --> 01:17:11,760
universities that sort of started to

1680
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:14,219
take this idea more seriously and Neil

1681
01:17:17,630 --> 01:17:15,690
deGrasse Tyson says well you can't

1682
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:17,640
really argue with the logic

1683
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:19,650
even though it's a statistical argument

1684
01:17:22,820 --> 01:17:21,570
you know when I was back at MIT we were

1685
01:17:27,140 --> 01:17:22,830
taught that science is really about

1686
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:27,150
creating models of the world and these

1687
01:17:30,530 --> 01:17:28,890
models would have to explain what

1688
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:30,540
happens we had the Newtonian model of

1689
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:32,610
the world which was based on continuous

1690
01:17:37,490 --> 01:17:35,250
motion and solid objects and that worked

1691
01:17:39,650 --> 01:17:37,500
for the most part but it broke down when

1692
01:17:42,170 --> 01:17:39,660
you were going really fast or if you

1693
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:42,180
went to really small subatomic levels

1694
01:17:45,950 --> 01:17:44,370
and then you know Einstein came up with

1695
01:17:48,410 --> 01:17:45,960
his theory of relativity which works at

1696
01:17:50,510 --> 01:17:48,420
fast speeds and then quantum mechanics

1697
01:17:52,390 --> 01:17:50,520
was a model that came up when you look

1698
01:17:56,090 --> 01:17:52,400
at what happens at the subatomic state

1699
01:17:59,360 --> 01:17:56,100
but now this is a model the simulation

1700
01:18:01,850 --> 01:17:59,370
hypothesis that I think explains many

1701
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:01,860
more things about the physical world and

1702
01:18:05,570 --> 01:18:03,570
the conscious world and the religious

1703
01:18:08,570 --> 01:18:05,580
and spiritual world than any model

1704
01:18:10,580 --> 01:18:08,580
before and so you know that's I don't

1705
01:18:13,010 --> 01:18:10,590
think a lot of the physicists are quite

1706
01:18:15,020 --> 01:18:13,020
there yet and a lot of the academics

1707
01:18:18,020 --> 01:18:15,030
right that they're willing to debate the

1708
01:18:20,570 --> 01:18:18,030
statistical argument or the AI argument

1709
01:18:22,940 --> 01:18:20,580
that we're all AI I don't think too many

1710
01:18:23,930 --> 01:18:22,950
of them are yet at the point of saying

1711
01:18:26,660 --> 01:18:23,940
well we're really beaming our

1712
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:26,670
consciousness from another universe or

1713
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:30,210
another world beyond the physical but

1714
01:18:34,490 --> 01:18:31,770
they're getting there and and the more

1715
01:18:36,830 --> 01:18:34,500
and more that they find information is

1716
01:18:40,060 --> 01:18:36,840
at the heart of everything and you know

1717
01:18:42,290 --> 01:18:40,070
I I have been running a video game

1718
01:18:44,780 --> 01:18:42,300
accelerator at MIT for the last two

1719
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:44,790
years and you know for many years MIT

1720
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:47,040
had you know four colleges the College

1721
01:18:52,820 --> 01:18:50,130
of Engineering College of Business etc

1722
01:18:54,230 --> 01:18:52,830
they just introduced a new college which

1723
01:18:58,430 --> 01:18:54,240
is all about AI

1724
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:58,440
and quantum computing as as a whole new

1725
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:00,000
field in and of itself and they're

1726
01:19:05,480 --> 01:19:01,770
recognizing that all the other fields

1727
01:19:09,290 --> 01:19:05,490
are related to it what was the video

1728
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:09,300
game that came out about three or four

1729
01:19:19,730 --> 01:19:14,690
years ago where you could go and visit

1730
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:19,740
any any planet and and it and it

1731
01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:23,130
continued and rendered in real time yes

1732
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:25,260
there was a video game called no man's

1733
01:19:32,350 --> 01:19:26,719
sky yeah no man

1734
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:32,360
and it had 18 quintillion planets right

1735
01:19:36,459 --> 01:19:34,010
you could go to those planets and you

1736
01:19:39,790 --> 01:19:36,469
could actually walk around in real time

1737
01:19:43,290 --> 01:19:39,800
now the team that built this they didn't

1738
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:43,300
sit there and design each plant Eileen

1739
01:19:49,390 --> 01:19:46,400
right turns out that if you you know

1740
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:49,400
have 64 bits they say 2 to the 64th

1741
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:51,920
power turns out to be exactly 18

1742
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:53,930
quintillion that's why they had that

1743
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:57,170
many possible worlds but what they would

1744
01:20:03,850 --> 01:20:01,280
do is they would render the the flora

1745
01:20:05,709 --> 01:20:03,860
and fauna of each world based on

1746
01:20:07,780 --> 01:20:05,719
different algorithms and so many of your

1747
01:20:09,970 --> 01:20:07,790
listeners have probably heard of fractal

1748
01:20:11,260 --> 01:20:09,980
algorithms that's right and I've got

1749
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:11,270
some pictures in the book and you can

1750
01:20:15,970 --> 01:20:13,010
look online and you'll see that you know

1751
01:20:19,870 --> 01:20:15,980
fractal geometry is a way of describing

1752
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:19,880
the natural world which came out of you

1753
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:22,510
know this whole idea of chaos theory and

1754
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:24,890
there was a guy named Mandelbrot who

1755
01:20:31,030 --> 01:20:27,440
asked a question that said how long is

1756
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:31,040
the coastline well it turns out you can

1757
01:20:34,540 --> 01:20:32,449
measure a coastline you know at the

1758
01:20:36,910 --> 01:20:34,550
level of miles and say it's you know 100

1759
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:36,920
miles long but if you go in and you zoom

1760
01:20:40,990 --> 01:20:39,170
in you see the coastline is actually

1761
01:20:42,910 --> 01:20:41,000
kind of rocky and has nooks and crannies

1762
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:42,920
so if you zoom in a little bit turns out

1763
01:20:46,959 --> 01:20:45,050
it's longer than 100 miles well if you

1764
01:20:49,810 --> 01:20:46,969
zoom in again you'll see even more nooks

1765
01:20:53,950 --> 01:20:49,820
and crannies and so the answer depends

1766
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:53,960
on what scale you're looking at the

1767
01:20:58,840 --> 01:20:55,370
world it turns out fractal algorithms

1768
01:21:02,140 --> 01:20:58,850
are the best way to describe a lot of

1769
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:02,150
natural processes whether it's veins or

1770
01:21:06,910 --> 01:21:04,880
tree-like structures or coastlines and

1771
01:21:10,209 --> 01:21:06,920
so you know many people have speculated

1772
01:21:13,689 --> 01:21:10,219
that what nature really is is a a

1773
01:21:15,459 --> 01:21:13,699
fractal algorithmic generating a machine

1774
01:21:17,860 --> 01:21:15,469
and that's you know that's why there's

1775
01:21:21,700 --> 01:21:17,870
no straight lines in nature and

1776
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:21,710
everything is has many dimensions and

1777
01:21:26,020 --> 01:21:23,930
and so turns out that the same

1778
01:21:28,209 --> 01:21:26,030
techniques these guys were using in no

1779
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:28,219
man's sky to generate all the flora and

1780
01:21:33,459 --> 01:21:30,410
fauna there are people who seriously

1781
01:21:36,340 --> 01:21:33,469
think that the way that flora and fauna

1782
01:21:38,890 --> 01:21:36,350
and coastlines evolved in the physical

1783
01:21:40,149 --> 01:21:38,900
world is again based on these

1784
01:21:42,399 --> 01:21:40,159
algorithmic

1785
01:21:44,649 --> 01:21:42,409
properties that that nature is using

1786
01:21:47,050 --> 01:21:44,659
algorithm so so you're kind of opening

1787
01:21:48,490 --> 01:21:47,060
up the physical world and realizing that

1788
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:48,500
oh my god it's actually a computer

1789
01:21:51,780 --> 01:21:50,090
program in there and that's another

1790
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:51,790
reason why people are starting to take

1791
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:55,280
this idea more seriously now than they

1792
01:21:59,290 --> 01:21:57,440
did ten years ago and certainly you know

1793
01:22:00,939 --> 01:21:59,300
then they did 20 years ago when the

1794
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:00,949
matrix first came out yeah and that

1795
01:22:08,050 --> 01:22:05,840
would be an answer for the size of what

1796
01:22:09,370 --> 01:22:08,060
consciousness would be right it'd be a

1797
01:22:12,370 --> 01:22:09,380
huge number

1798
01:22:16,689 --> 01:22:12,380
as far as ones and zeros go be a complex

1799
01:22:19,570 --> 01:22:16,699
but if it is derived in render right and

1800
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:19,580
with with fractal algorithms you don't

1801
01:22:26,590 --> 01:22:22,130
need a huge everybody wouldn't be a huge

1802
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:26,600
chunk of code right your reality in the

1803
01:22:33,820 --> 01:22:29,840
in a simulation could be rendered as

1804
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:33,830
your day moves along that's right and so

1805
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:36,560
you know let's talk a little bit about

1806
01:22:41,410 --> 01:22:38,480
how rendering is done in video games

1807
01:22:44,830 --> 01:22:41,420
right so if you're in The Sims right

1808
01:22:47,379 --> 01:22:44,840
you're seeing a room well that room is a

1809
01:22:49,810 --> 01:22:47,389
set of 3d models that describe the

1810
01:22:55,629 --> 01:22:49,820
shapes of everything in that room right

1811
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:55,639
and then your computer renders that room

1812
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:57,170
from your point of view

1813
01:23:02,290 --> 01:23:00,080
so it only renders the things that you

1814
01:23:04,050 --> 01:23:02,300
can see right so if there was you know

1815
01:23:07,629 --> 01:23:04,060
creature facing the other way

1816
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:07,639
well you can't necessarily see its face

1817
01:23:11,770 --> 01:23:09,290
initially right you can only see its

1818
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:11,780
back and if there was a flower but it

1819
01:23:16,090 --> 01:23:13,730
was underneath the table you couldn't

1820
01:23:19,209 --> 01:23:16,100
see the flower well when when people

1821
01:23:22,090 --> 01:23:19,219
were first building video games they

1822
01:23:24,669 --> 01:23:22,100
thought it was impossible to render all

1823
01:23:26,350 --> 01:23:24,679
the pixels that you would need for fully

1824
01:23:28,450 --> 01:23:26,360
3d environments in immersive

1825
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:28,460
environments that's a lot of pixels and

1826
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:29,690
think about it Oh

1827
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:32,239
turns out Doom was the first video game

1828
01:23:37,419 --> 01:23:34,730
that really was popular that was using

1829
01:23:40,060 --> 01:23:37,429
this idea of a 3d perspective and you

1830
01:23:42,510 --> 01:23:40,070
could look around very quickly there's a

1831
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:42,520
first-person shooter and it would adjust

1832
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:44,570
automatically and that was because they

1833
01:23:49,930 --> 01:23:47,449
rendered only that which needs that

1834
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:49,940
which is being observed so that's kind

1835
01:23:53,980 --> 01:23:52,010
of the the golden rule when it comes to

1836
01:23:56,740 --> 01:23:53,990
video game environments

1837
01:23:58,860 --> 01:23:56,750
render only that which you can observe

1838
01:24:02,290 --> 01:23:58,870
over you can see from your point of view

1839
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:02,300
okay and so now we're getting into the

1840
01:24:07,810 --> 01:24:05,330
physics right and so one of the biggest

1841
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:07,820
mysteries in quantum physics is this

1842
01:24:14,380 --> 01:24:10,850
idea of quantum indeterminacy and then

1843
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:14,390
the idea is that if said again say that

1844
01:24:20,290 --> 01:24:17,440
again what's the quantum indeterminacy

1845
01:24:21,670 --> 01:24:20,300
okay which probably the easiest way to

1846
01:24:23,290 --> 01:24:21,680
understand it although you know

1847
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:23,300
physicists talk about it at the level of

1848
01:24:30,540 --> 01:24:25,970
a particle and says where is this

1849
01:24:34,030 --> 01:24:30,550
particle and is it a wave or is it a

1850
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:34,040
particle and but you know easier I think

1851
01:24:38,890 --> 01:24:36,610
to understand it at the idea of

1852
01:24:41,050 --> 01:24:38,900
Schrodinger's you know infamous cat

1853
01:24:45,700 --> 01:24:41,060
right many of us have heard of that and

1854
01:24:48,340 --> 01:24:45,710
the cat is in a box that has some

1855
01:24:51,100 --> 01:24:48,350
radioactive decay and there's about a

1856
01:24:54,310 --> 01:24:51,110
50% chance that the cat is alive or dead

1857
01:24:58,540 --> 01:24:54,320
and so what you know Schrodinger said

1858
01:25:01,120 --> 01:24:58,550
was you we don't know if the cat is

1859
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:01,130
alive or dead until we open the box but

1860
01:25:07,780 --> 01:25:03,530
it turns out the cat is both alive and

1861
01:25:10,060 --> 01:25:07,790
dead until we open the box and actually

1862
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:10,070
observe it now common sense would tell

1863
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:11,210
us that's not the case

1864
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:13,520
common sense tells us either the cat is

1865
01:25:17,470 --> 01:25:15,050
alive or dead already just because we

1866
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:17,480
can't see it in the box it has to be one

1867
01:25:22,420 --> 01:25:20,330
or the other right well the quantum

1868
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:22,430
physicists have found and this is like

1869
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:25,760
you know a fundamental finding of how

1870
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:27,770
the universe works is that until

1871
01:25:32,260 --> 01:25:29,810
somebody actually opens the box and

1872
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:32,270
observes it that the cat is neither

1873
01:25:40,570 --> 01:25:37,010
alive nor dead it gets rendered based

1874
01:25:44,890 --> 01:25:40,580
upon who observes it at that point in

1875
01:25:47,260 --> 01:25:44,900
time and so that is also you know the

1876
01:25:48,490 --> 01:25:47,270
basis of what they called up the double

1877
01:25:50,290 --> 01:25:48,500
slit experiment where they're shooting

1878
01:25:53,290 --> 01:25:50,300
particles through these two slits and

1879
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:53,300
they say if it's a wave it'll have an

1880
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interference pattern you know on this

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screen beyond the slits and if it's a

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particle it'll go to a specific point

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well it turns out it's not until

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somebody observes it that it takes on a

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specific position

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right before that it's what's called a

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superposition which means like the cat

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is alive or dead and so you know the big

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question in physics is why would it why

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would the universe work in this way that

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somebody has to sit there and observe

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something in order for the path of the

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particle to be rendered and it turns out

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there's also something called the

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delayed choice experiment where the

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particle goes through the slits and then

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it goes and does a whole bunch of other

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01:26:41,310 --> 01:26:38,740
things like it could go up to a

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satellite a thousand miles away and only

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01:26:46,860 --> 01:26:43,960
then is it observed but turns out the

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path is not solid until the observation

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01:26:52,650 --> 01:26:49,990
happens well now we tie back to the

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01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:52,660
rendering of video games right the

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01:26:58,890 --> 01:26:56,080
cardinal rule was what only render is

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01:27:00,990 --> 01:26:58,900
what you see served right and that turns

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01:27:03,450 --> 01:27:01,000
out to be the cardinal rule within

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01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:03,460
quantum physics is only render that

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which is being observed which you know

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01:27:09,810 --> 01:27:08,290
is why you know the simulation

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hypothesis starts to make a lot more

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sense when you look at it in terms of

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quantum physics and how it works let's

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take a break right here and I'm looking

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at it's so funny I'm looking at the

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comments and yeah somebody just said my

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brain hurts it's a heavy it's it's a

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heavy heavy heavy concept and one that

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isn't for no pun intended not that far

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from actual reality our guest tonight

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rizz Burke we're talking about his new

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book the simulation hypothesis I'm your

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host Jimmy church this is fade to black

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with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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hi I'm Lisa Vance you're listening to

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Jimmy Church this is revolution the

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revolution will not be televised the

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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welcome back to fade to black our guest

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01:33:20,069 --> 01:33:17,560
tonight R is Burke talking about his new

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01:33:23,790 --> 01:33:20,079
book the simulation hypothesis which is

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01:33:27,450 --> 01:33:23,800
going to be released on March 31st which

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01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:27,460
will be the 20 year anniversary of the

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01:33:33,810 --> 01:33:29,650
worldwide release of the film The Matrix

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01:33:38,100 --> 01:33:33,820
and you can follow Riz on twitter it's r

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01:33:45,629 --> 01:33:38,110
is Cambridge right wrist Stanford a

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wrist Ambergris Caye bridge where did I

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get Cambridge from you use that

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somewhere don't you yeah simulation yeah

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01:34:01,800 --> 01:33:58,599
and another simulation and go ahead RIS

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01:34:05,339 --> 01:34:01,810
I'm sorry say you know speaking of email

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01:34:07,379 --> 01:34:05,349
I just got a got a note while we were in

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01:34:08,970 --> 01:34:07,389
the break here from Tessa B dick saying

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01:34:11,220 --> 01:34:08,980
that she was listening to the show and

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01:34:12,959 --> 01:34:11,230
so I'd like to give a shout out to her

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01:34:14,700 --> 01:34:12,969
though she's a wife of the late philip k

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01:34:16,050 --> 01:34:14,710
dick and thought you know we're gay we

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01:34:17,609 --> 01:34:16,060
got heavy into the physics maybe we

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01:34:19,050 --> 01:34:17,619
could step back a little bit to talk a

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01:34:21,780 --> 01:34:19,060
little bit about some of the science

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01:34:23,609 --> 01:34:21,790
fiction's yeah let's do that you know

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01:34:27,930 --> 01:34:23,619
and I'll tell you why and what's up

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01:34:32,180 --> 01:34:27,940
Tessa she's absolutely amazing big shout

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01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:32,190
out to Tessa the okay let's let's let's

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01:34:41,220 --> 01:34:36,250
suppose something here if one of the

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01:34:44,540 --> 01:34:41,230
benefits of downloading ourselves or

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01:34:46,709 --> 01:34:44,550
living in a simulation would be

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01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:46,719
immortality and I would say that that

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01:34:51,180 --> 01:34:49,360
would be if I was a billionaire the vows

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01:34:55,109 --> 01:34:51,190
of billionaire I wouldn't have an issue

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01:34:59,370 --> 01:34:55,119
with downloading myself into a bot a

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01:35:02,520 --> 01:34:59,380
robot and and and living forever but if

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01:35:05,399 --> 01:35:02,530
that is the case then what if we're

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01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:05,409
living in a simulation why do we die in

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01:35:12,780 --> 01:35:10,090
this simulation well you know that's a a

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01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:12,790
big heavy loaded question right right

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01:35:20,189 --> 01:35:16,810
but you know if you look at video games

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01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:20,199
you know they have this idea of multiple

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01:35:24,449 --> 01:35:22,210
eyes right so you're able to go through

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01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:24,459
a character you're able to get to a sir

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01:35:28,739 --> 01:35:27,010
point and then you know the character

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01:35:32,279 --> 01:35:28,749
can die in the game because if there's

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no consequences of the actions then

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you're not really taking that video game

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or that characters actions very

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seriously and we all do we all do that

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when we when we upload a cheat right

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01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:47,249
insert some kind of infinite life cheat

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01:35:53,669 --> 01:35:50,489
the game doesn't have any more impact

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01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:53,679
that's right exactly at that point the

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game becomes too easy right this the

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same way why many gamers don't like you

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01:36:03,299 --> 01:36:01,959
know pay2win types of games right they

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just pay money and then you don't have

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to go through the process of learning

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01:36:09,629 --> 01:36:06,909
how to play the game and to really build

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01:36:12,330 --> 01:36:09,639
your expertise and so you know what as

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01:36:13,649 --> 01:36:12,340
we get into the Y right now we're we're

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01:36:15,839 --> 01:36:13,659
backing up from the science to the

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01:36:18,689 --> 01:36:15,849
philosophy and the religion to say you

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01:36:20,370 --> 01:36:18,699
know why is that the case you know again

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01:36:22,620 --> 01:36:20,380
in most of the religious traditions they

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talk about this being a school or a

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training ground while we're here to

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01:36:33,209 --> 01:36:28,840
learn certain things about ourselves and

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01:36:35,850 --> 01:36:33,219
to evolve as Souls and keeping a list of

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01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:35,860
all the the karmic tasks that we have to

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01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:39,010
do well if there weren't consequences to

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01:36:42,660 --> 01:36:40,570
what you did here that weren't rules

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01:36:43,949 --> 01:36:42,670
that you had to follow you know then we

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01:36:46,469 --> 01:36:43,959
wouldn't take it that seriously at all

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01:36:49,410 --> 01:36:46,479
so that would be my my answer for the

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01:36:51,719 --> 01:36:49,420
why but obviously that's an area of a

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01:36:56,489 --> 01:36:51,729
lot of speculation would you download

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01:36:59,160 --> 01:36:56,499
would you upload yourself into a real

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01:37:04,500 --> 01:36:59,170
wood you do it into a digital device

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01:37:07,290 --> 01:37:04,510
yeah would you do it the transhumanist

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01:37:09,989 --> 01:37:07,300
movement right in Silicon Valley and

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01:37:12,270 --> 01:37:09,999
Beyond is very much about how do i

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01:37:16,410 --> 01:37:12,280
downline myself onto a silicon device

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01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:16,420
the question is you know with the way

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01:37:20,850 --> 01:37:19,090
that we've defined bits and I talked

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01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:20,860
about quantum teleportation earlier

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01:37:26,459 --> 01:37:23,130
right which was this idea of a

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01:37:28,739 --> 01:37:26,469
teleporting a particle from here to say

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01:37:31,649 --> 01:37:28,749
in outer space what they're really

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01:37:34,290 --> 01:37:31,659
transporting is the quantum state like

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01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:34,300
that's as far as we've got we aren't

2115
01:37:37,780 --> 01:37:36,489
actually trans transmitting or

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01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:37,790
teleporting the actual

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01:37:43,810 --> 01:37:40,730
particle yet so the question is is it

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01:37:46,450 --> 01:37:43,820
the same particle if it has the same

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01:37:49,230 --> 01:37:46,460
quantum state nobody knows the answer to

2120
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:49,240
that question so is it the same person

2121
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:52,850
if you you were to simulate your

2122
01:37:58,630 --> 01:37:55,850
consciousness and put it on to a silicon

2123
01:38:00,700 --> 01:37:58,640
device or is it a copy of your

2124
01:38:04,780 --> 01:38:00,710
consciousness right and this is where we

2125
01:38:06,610 --> 01:38:04,790
get into these these debates about you

2126
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:06,620
know are we conscious beings outside of

2127
01:38:12,460 --> 01:38:09,170
our simulation and we would we just

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01:38:15,340 --> 01:38:12,470
simply be creating kind of a snapshot of

2129
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:15,350
our current consciousness so a lot of

2130
01:38:21,940 --> 01:38:17,090
scientists believe that it's just a

2131
01:38:23,830 --> 01:38:21,950
matter of simulating all the neurons and

2132
01:38:25,210 --> 01:38:23,840
there's a very big number of neurons in

2133
01:38:27,610 --> 01:38:25,220
the brain and the connections between

2134
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:27,620
the neurons and so far like there's a

2135
01:38:32,410 --> 01:38:30,290
group at MIT that and other places that

2136
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:32,420
have simulated the neurons of a rat's

2137
01:38:35,950 --> 01:38:34,610
brain which is you know much smaller

2138
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:35,960
number of neurons and a much smaller

2139
01:38:40,780 --> 01:38:38,210
number of connections and then we have

2140
01:38:41,860 --> 01:38:40,790
in in a human brain and so we haven't

2141
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:41,870
gotten to the point of having enough

2142
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:43,850
computing power to be able to do that

2143
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:45,530
but they think that's all you need to do

2144
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:47,930
is exactly simulate all the firing of

2145
01:38:54,970 --> 01:38:52,610
the neurons and therefore you have that

2146
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:54,980
person living forever but I think it's

2147
01:39:00,250 --> 01:38:56,960
an open question as to whether that

2148
01:39:05,170 --> 01:39:00,260
really is that person or not copy rizz

2149
01:39:09,220 --> 01:39:05,180
rizz rizz you dodged the question okay

2150
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:09,230
would you do it if everything was right

2151
01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:10,970
and somebody said okay well we've got a

2152
01:39:14,890 --> 01:39:13,760
hundred percent probability that you're

2153
01:39:17,260 --> 01:39:14,900
gonna be okay

2154
01:39:19,900 --> 01:39:17,270
do you pull the trigger would you would

2155
01:39:22,540 --> 01:39:19,910
you go for it well you know I don't know

2156
01:39:25,180 --> 01:39:22,550
because I tend to already believe that

2157
01:39:28,330 --> 01:39:25,190
we live forever outside of this

2158
01:39:31,900 --> 01:39:28,340
simulation right so you know do I need

2159
01:39:36,100 --> 01:39:31,910
to be R is work for the next million

2160
01:39:40,590 --> 01:39:36,110
years or can I go back and read carnate

2161
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:40,600
yeah the player that that is currently

2162
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:43,850
downloaded into R is ver so your answer

2163
01:39:48,610 --> 01:39:46,130
is no you wouldn't do it my answer is

2164
01:39:50,830 --> 01:39:48,620
probably not yeah I don't think it's

2165
01:39:51,460 --> 01:39:50,840
quite as easy as these people they're

2166
01:39:53,050 --> 01:39:51,470
okay

2167
01:39:55,210 --> 01:39:53,060
back to science fiction there was a

2168
01:39:58,360 --> 01:39:55,220
great show a few years ago called fringe

2169
01:40:00,490 --> 01:39:58,370
mob and I saw that yep and they had this

2170
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:00,500
idea of parallel worlds and you know is

2171
01:40:03,700 --> 01:40:01,850
if we get one I get more than physics we

2172
01:40:07,330 --> 01:40:03,710
can talk about parallel worlds but at

2173
01:40:09,010 --> 01:40:07,340
one point they were trying to transmit a

2174
01:40:11,770 --> 01:40:09,020
William Bell who was a character played

2175
01:40:14,950 --> 01:40:11,780
by Leonard Nimoy his consciousness onto

2176
01:40:18,100 --> 01:40:14,960
a silicon device right which they did

2177
01:40:20,590 --> 01:40:18,110
they actually did and if you remember in

2178
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:20,600
Fringe let's let's stay focused on this

2179
01:40:34,270 --> 01:40:23,930
you remember they did about a half a

2180
01:40:36,850 --> 01:40:34,280
season in animation cartoon they it was

2181
01:40:39,570 --> 01:40:36,860
actual they were living in a simulation

2182
01:40:41,860 --> 01:40:39,580
they were living in a cartoon and

2183
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:41,870
straight out of Warner Brothers right

2184
01:40:48,730 --> 01:40:45,290
Disney and and William Bell's character

2185
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:48,740
Leonard Nimoy and by the end of the

2186
01:40:54,130 --> 01:40:52,570
season when they finally got out of the

2187
01:40:57,400 --> 01:40:54,140
simulated world

2188
01:41:00,160 --> 01:40:57,410
you were so acclimated to it that you

2189
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:00,170
did mind it not being and it was really

2190
01:41:05,020 --> 01:41:03,290
really really well done that concept it

2191
01:41:07,270 --> 01:41:05,030
was and I think they were one of the

2192
01:41:08,770 --> 01:41:07,280
best representations of parallel worlds

2193
01:41:10,450 --> 01:41:08,780
but if you remember when they tried to

2194
01:41:12,580 --> 01:41:10,460
download his consciousness under the

2195
01:41:14,380 --> 01:41:12,590
silicon it actually didn't work what

2196
01:41:16,210 --> 01:41:14,390
happened was his consciousness got

2197
01:41:18,610 --> 01:41:16,220
downloaded to the nearest biological

2198
01:41:22,150 --> 01:41:18,620
entity which was the character Olivia

2199
01:41:25,690 --> 01:41:22,160
Dunham yes right and so she ended up

2200
01:41:27,700 --> 01:41:25,700
being William Bell and you was well done

2201
01:41:30,670 --> 01:41:27,710
she was speaking like Leonard Nimoy it

2202
01:41:33,550 --> 01:41:30,680
was pretty cool right and so now we're

2203
01:41:35,470 --> 01:41:33,560
tying science fiction back to this idea

2204
01:41:37,180 --> 01:41:35,480
of downloading of consciousness back to

2205
01:41:39,610 --> 01:41:37,190
the Tibetan Yogi's that I talked about

2206
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:39,620
earlier which he was you know they were

2207
01:41:44,980 --> 01:41:41,570
able to download their consciousness

2208
01:41:46,090 --> 01:41:44,990
onto another biological entity so you

2209
01:41:47,830 --> 01:41:46,100
know I think we're a little bit further

2210
01:41:49,870 --> 01:41:47,840
away from being able to download our

2211
01:41:53,260 --> 01:41:49,880
consciousness into a silicon device than

2212
01:41:55,060 --> 01:41:53,270
many people think but you know as we

2213
01:41:56,650 --> 01:41:55,070
start to think of biological computers

2214
01:41:57,970 --> 01:41:56,660
that's where it starts to get

2215
01:42:00,730 --> 01:41:57,980
interesting and that's where it seems to

2216
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:00,740
be more consistent with you know what

2217
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:02,090
the ancient traditions have been telling

2218
01:42:04,890 --> 01:42:03,890
us as well so you know I probably

2219
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:04,900
wouldn't

2220
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:08,560
but even if I did I think it would you

2221
01:42:12,690 --> 01:42:10,090
know this this question of whether it's

2222
01:42:15,390 --> 01:42:12,700
really me or a copy of me is an

2223
01:42:20,700 --> 01:42:15,400
interesting one right well it would be a

2224
01:42:23,700 --> 01:42:20,710
way to solve traveling to the stars and

2225
01:42:25,980 --> 01:42:23,710
interstellar travel if you could exist

2226
01:42:28,730 --> 01:42:25,990
you know in that world where you don't

2227
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:28,740
have to worry about food you know water

2228
01:42:35,190 --> 01:42:32,770
oxygen and dying for that matter right

2229
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:35,200
so the one hand it becomes a way for you

2230
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:37,090
for us to travel the stars if it's gonna

2231
01:42:41,460 --> 01:42:39,850
take so long to get there and you know a

2232
01:42:43,860 --> 01:42:41,470
big part of the book also talks about

2233
01:42:47,790 --> 01:42:43,870
different science fiction and you know

2234
01:42:48,990 --> 01:42:47,800
there was this Netflix series that some

2235
01:42:50,220 --> 01:42:49,000
of your viewers may have seen or

2236
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:50,230
listeners may have seen called altered

2237
01:42:55,340 --> 01:42:52,330
carbon log boobs based on a series of

2238
01:42:57,570 --> 01:42:55,350
cyberpunk novels about Roy and they had

2239
01:42:59,760 --> 01:42:57,580
what they call the stock which was a

2240
01:43:02,280 --> 01:42:59,770
cortical stack that was in you know

2241
01:43:04,530 --> 01:43:02,290
stuck into the back of your neck and

2242
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:04,540
your consciousness could be downloaded

2243
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:06,130
it was in that stacks and you could pull

2244
01:43:10,500 --> 01:43:08,050
it out and put it into another body and

2245
01:43:12,570 --> 01:43:10,510
you were now inside this other person's

2246
01:43:16,170 --> 01:43:12,580
body so we start to get into this idea

2247
01:43:17,730 --> 01:43:16,180
of what is really you you know is it the

2248
01:43:20,370 --> 01:43:17,740
information stored in this device and

2249
01:43:21,780 --> 01:43:20,380
and they would beam themselves right to

2250
01:43:24,900 --> 01:43:21,790
another planet that's how they travel to

2251
01:43:26,610 --> 01:43:24,910
another planet quickly was that they

2252
01:43:28,500 --> 01:43:26,620
would beam themselves into another

2253
01:43:30,780 --> 01:43:28,510
cortical stack because it was just

2254
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:30,790
information you know in that device and

2255
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:32,650
then they would be in another body and

2256
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:34,480
they're automatically and so that's how

2257
01:43:38,100 --> 01:43:36,400
they got around this problem of you know

2258
01:43:41,010 --> 01:43:38,110
it takes so long to try to travel

2259
01:43:42,810 --> 01:43:41,020
between stars well and staying on the

2260
01:43:46,190 --> 01:43:42,820
science-fiction side because when you

2261
01:43:51,570 --> 01:43:46,200
look at not only philip k dick who

2262
01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:51,580
absolutely wrote a short story and novel

2263
01:43:57,720 --> 01:43:54,850
after novel about exactly this not only

2264
01:44:00,960 --> 01:43:57,730
simulation but parallel worlds and right

2265
01:44:03,090 --> 01:44:00,970
now we've got what's that new series the

2266
01:44:05,210 --> 01:44:03,100
man in the high castle right so that

2267
01:44:07,860 --> 01:44:05,220
that's out there we've got counterpart

2268
01:44:09,900 --> 01:44:07,870
counterpart which is really really good

2269
01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:09,910
i don't know it's on showtime or HBO i

2270
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:12,130
can't remember and we just don't that

2271
01:44:17,740 --> 01:44:13,730
stars

2272
01:44:20,380 --> 01:44:17,750
really good if you just mentioned fringe

2273
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:20,390
and then we're talking about the matrix

2274
01:44:25,900 --> 01:44:22,610
but we can go all the way back to the

2275
01:44:28,330 --> 01:44:25,910
holodeck right and and living in and the

2276
01:44:30,790 --> 01:44:28,340
way that Orville presents it they've got

2277
01:44:32,740 --> 01:44:30,800
the symmetry simulation room so it's

2278
01:44:34,510 --> 01:44:32,750
seen yes it's see in fact you know

2279
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:34,520
that's when I first started to think a

2280
01:44:39,850 --> 01:44:37,250
little bit more seriously about this was

2281
01:44:43,090 --> 01:44:39,860
when I saw a Star Trek in the holodeck

2282
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:43,100
and there was one episode early on I

2283
01:44:47,170 --> 01:44:44,570
remember kind of blew my mind

2284
01:44:50,050 --> 01:44:47,180
where they were doing a Sherlock Holmes

2285
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:50,060
simulation in the holodeck and one of

2286
01:44:54,910 --> 01:44:52,370
the characters who was based on

2287
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:54,920
Professor Moriarty from the original

2288
01:44:58,890 --> 01:44:56,960
Sherlock Holmes novels he realized that

2289
01:45:02,950 --> 01:44:58,900
some of the people in the simulation

2290
01:45:05,650 --> 01:45:02,960
were not from the holodeck and that they

2291
01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:05,660
existed out there outside the holodeck

2292
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:08,000
so he actually realized that there was a

2293
01:45:13,690 --> 01:45:10,400
world outside the simulation whereas the

2294
01:45:15,220 --> 01:45:13,700
rest of the characters were AI so in in

2295
01:45:16,330 --> 01:45:15,230
videogames we have this idea of player

2296
01:45:19,810 --> 01:45:16,340
characters which we've talked a lot

2297
01:45:22,690 --> 01:45:19,820
about but we also have this idea of NPCs

2298
01:45:24,370 --> 01:45:22,700
or non player characters who are the AIS

2299
01:45:26,140 --> 01:45:24,380
within video games and people we can

2300
01:45:28,690 --> 01:45:26,150
interact with and so the holodeck

2301
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:28,700
characters were kind of like NPCs but

2302
01:45:32,590 --> 01:45:30,650
this NPC was smart enough to just to

2303
01:45:36,370 --> 01:45:32,600
realize that there was a world out there

2304
01:45:38,650 --> 01:45:36,380
and he wanted to go out of the holodeck

2305
01:45:41,020 --> 01:45:38,660
but he couldn't because he was just an

2306
01:45:42,850 --> 01:45:41,030
NPC and that gets back to this debate of

2307
01:45:45,010 --> 01:45:42,860
whether we're a AI or were actually

2308
01:45:47,020 --> 01:45:45,020
conscious beings playing a character in

2309
01:45:47,710 --> 01:45:47,030
it now I don't know if you remember in

2310
01:45:50,260 --> 01:45:47,720
Star Trek

2311
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:50,270
there was an there was another episode

2312
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:52,370
with him in there but basically they

2313
01:45:57,790 --> 01:45:55,520
took him out of the holodeck and so he

2314
01:45:58,900 --> 01:45:57,800
thought he was in the actual ship but

2315
01:46:01,360 --> 01:45:58,910
turns out he was in another simulation

2316
01:46:04,150 --> 01:46:01,370
and that's how they kind of kept him

2317
01:46:06,790 --> 01:46:04,160
alive you know within that and so it's a

2318
01:46:08,110 --> 01:46:06,800
very common concept within a lot of

2319
01:46:10,300 --> 01:46:08,120
science fiction but that was one that

2320
01:46:12,700 --> 01:46:10,310
really got me thinking about huh what if

2321
01:46:14,770 --> 01:46:12,710
we're inside a holodeck could we realize

2322
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:14,780
that there's this world you know outside

2323
01:46:21,340 --> 01:46:18,530
the holodeck and what as we just

2324
01:46:25,810 --> 01:46:21,350
mentioned AI and AI has gotten to the

2325
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:25,820
point now here in 2019 where I don't

2326
01:46:28,450 --> 01:46:27,050
even think that we

2327
01:46:32,589 --> 01:46:28,460
thought that we would be here two years

2328
01:46:34,589 --> 01:46:32,599
ago where AI is really starting to get

2329
01:46:38,410 --> 01:46:34,599
we're getting out of general

2330
01:46:39,339 --> 01:46:38,420
intelligence into some some pretty

2331
01:46:43,629 --> 01:46:39,349
frightening

2332
01:46:45,580 --> 01:46:43,639
levels of AI and is that part of the

2333
01:46:48,970 --> 01:46:45,590
simulation and living in that world and

2334
01:46:52,030 --> 01:46:48,980
if we get to that point where the Turing

2335
01:46:57,339 --> 01:46:52,040
test isn't even isn't even mentioned

2336
01:47:00,580 --> 01:46:57,349
anymore during test is you know it's

2337
01:47:03,580 --> 01:47:00,590
Alan Turing was a mathematician computer

2338
01:47:06,549 --> 01:47:03,590
scientist you know in England and he

2339
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:06,559
came up with this idea of a game where

2340
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:09,250
behind a curtain there would be a

2341
01:47:13,660 --> 01:47:11,570
computer and there would be a real

2342
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:13,670
person and you would send messages back

2343
01:47:21,370 --> 01:47:17,449
and forth between yourself and person or

2344
01:47:22,930 --> 01:47:21,380
a versus person B and if you could not

2345
01:47:25,780 --> 01:47:22,940
tell which one was the computer and

2346
01:47:26,950 --> 01:47:25,790
which one was a real human being then AI

2347
01:47:28,979 --> 01:47:26,960
would have gotten to the point where it

2348
01:47:32,260 --> 01:47:28,989
can basically impersonate a human being

2349
01:47:35,319 --> 01:47:32,270
we're not there yet right we haven't yet

2350
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:35,329
passed the Turing test in a generalized

2351
01:47:39,430 --> 01:47:37,250
way but you know one of the the ten

2352
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:39,440
stages that I lay out in the book

2353
01:47:44,859 --> 01:47:42,050
of getting into the simulation point is

2354
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:44,869
AI and it's this idea of being able to

2355
01:47:51,129 --> 01:47:47,840
simulate realistic characters you know

2356
01:47:53,470 --> 01:47:51,139
within the simulation and then the

2357
01:47:55,209 --> 01:47:53,480
second part of that is if they're

2358
01:47:59,410 --> 01:47:55,219
realistic characters can we also have

2359
01:48:01,270 --> 01:47:59,420
false memories as well right and and in

2360
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:01,280
that that's an area where you know

2361
01:48:06,850 --> 01:48:03,440
Phillip K dicks work is quite

2362
01:48:10,569 --> 01:48:06,860
interesting and Stephen Hawking you know

2363
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:10,579
talks about this idea of within a black

2364
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:13,730
hole information sometimes goes in and

2365
01:48:17,799 --> 01:48:15,679
doesn't come out and so he says that

2366
01:48:20,229 --> 01:48:17,809
that means determinism breaks down and

2367
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:20,239
if a Terman is in breaks down we can't

2368
01:48:24,580 --> 01:48:22,130
know our past which is basically the

2369
01:48:25,930 --> 01:48:24,590
same as false memories or implanted

2370
01:48:28,390 --> 01:48:25,940
memories there's a great scene in the

2371
01:48:31,629 --> 01:48:28,400
Blade Runner in in you know adaptation

2372
01:48:33,310 --> 01:48:31,639
of Philip K dicks two Androids Dream of

2373
01:48:34,419 --> 01:48:33,320
Electric Sheep where there's an Android

2374
01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:34,429
and she doesn't know she's an Android

2375
01:48:40,510 --> 01:48:37,840
because she has real memories right and

2376
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:40,520
that scene

2377
01:48:46,090 --> 01:48:43,010
thinking about this in the matrix were

2378
01:48:47,830 --> 01:48:46,100
Neos walking down the street in the

2379
01:48:52,030 --> 01:48:47,840
crowd and the lady in the red dress

2380
01:48:59,290 --> 01:48:52,040
walks by she's right she's a she's an

2381
01:49:04,230 --> 01:48:59,300
NPC and what's his name what's his name

2382
01:49:09,340 --> 01:49:06,190
what's his name rat

2383
01:49:12,070 --> 01:49:09,350
oh man anyway he goes I you want to meet

2384
01:49:16,510 --> 01:49:12,080
her right and that that's that's an

2385
01:49:19,090 --> 01:49:16,520
example of an AI that would be needed in

2386
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:19,100
a simulation world like this which is

2387
01:49:25,210 --> 01:49:22,130
presented in the matrix that's right

2388
01:49:27,250 --> 01:49:25,220
and so those a eyes we're getting closer

2389
01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:27,260
I don't know if you saw this but

2390
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:30,730
recently they had these virtual

2391
01:49:35,500 --> 01:49:33,920
influencers very popular in Asia where

2392
01:49:38,410 --> 01:49:35,510
their YouTube videos being made by these

2393
01:49:41,980 --> 01:49:38,420
virtual characters and in China you know

2394
01:49:44,440 --> 01:49:41,990
the state news agency released a virtual

2395
01:49:45,820 --> 01:49:44,450
news anchor who can basically read the

2396
01:49:47,980 --> 01:49:45,830
news and it looks like an actual person

2397
01:49:48,430 --> 01:49:47,990
I mean we're far from you know Max

2398
01:49:54,250 --> 01:49:48,440
Headroom

2399
01:49:57,400 --> 01:49:54,260
right back in the 80s but actually you

2400
01:49:59,860 --> 01:49:57,410
it's very hard to tell that this isn't a

2401
01:50:01,510 --> 01:49:59,870
real person that is reading the news now

2402
01:50:03,850 --> 01:50:01,520
in this case it's not full AI because

2403
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:03,860
it's just reading the news but we're

2404
01:50:08,470 --> 01:50:05,210
getting there and then the matrix you

2405
01:50:09,940 --> 01:50:08,480
know AI is a big part of that movie and

2406
01:50:13,300 --> 01:50:09,950
the mythology around it

2407
01:50:17,860 --> 01:50:13,310
in fact Agent Smith right is basically

2408
01:50:20,620 --> 01:50:17,870
in AI the computer program who basically

2409
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:20,630
decides who's there to try to keep order

2410
01:50:25,150 --> 01:50:23,330
in the matrix but I forget which movie

2411
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:25,160
it was maybe the second movie where he

2412
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:27,410
projects himself on to all of the people

2413
01:50:32,650 --> 01:50:29,090
in the matrix right remember that yes

2414
01:50:35,470 --> 01:50:32,660
wait everyone becomes looks like oh is

2415
01:50:38,290 --> 01:50:35,480
it Hugo Hugo Weaving I think cuz agents

2416
01:50:40,660 --> 01:50:38,300
an actress Agent Smith and so it's an

2417
01:50:43,630 --> 01:50:40,670
agent that's replicating itself you know

2418
01:50:45,850 --> 01:50:43,640
throughout the simulation and so you

2419
01:50:48,790 --> 01:50:45,860
know AI is very much you know a

2420
01:50:50,170 --> 01:50:48,800
fundamental part of being able to create

2421
01:50:52,300 --> 01:50:50,180
realistic simulations that are

2422
01:50:54,159 --> 01:50:52,310
indistinguishable from reality but also

2423
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:54,169
I mentioned the simulation argue

2424
01:50:58,600 --> 01:50:56,570
which is all about AI which is the fact

2425
01:51:02,500 --> 01:50:58,610
that all the beings inside simulations

2426
01:51:05,589 --> 01:51:02,510
are actually biological beings I I don't

2427
01:51:06,879 --> 01:51:05,599
personally buy that side of it but the

2428
01:51:10,209 --> 01:51:06,889
fact that we could be interacting with

2429
01:51:12,669 --> 01:51:10,219
people and the fact that we might have

2430
01:51:15,790 --> 01:51:12,679
memories that are false that have been

2431
01:51:17,949 --> 01:51:15,800
implanted using code or data and we're

2432
01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:17,959
getting there so at MIT there was a

2433
01:51:23,949 --> 01:51:20,719
group in the brain science group where

2434
01:51:26,979 --> 01:51:23,959
they were able to implant a false memory

2435
01:51:28,899 --> 01:51:26,989
inside a rat using an electrical

2436
01:51:31,209 --> 01:51:28,909
stimulation now this is just the memory

2437
01:51:32,620 --> 01:51:31,219
it's a false memory of you know whether

2438
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:32,630
you should go left or right so it's a

2439
01:51:36,489 --> 01:51:34,610
very simple thing but they said the

2440
01:51:40,989 --> 01:51:36,499
neurological structure of that false

2441
01:51:43,659 --> 01:51:40,999
memory was actually very similar to what

2442
01:51:45,399 --> 01:51:43,669
a real memory would look like and so you

2443
01:51:48,100 --> 01:51:45,409
know we're still years if not decades

2444
01:51:50,259 --> 01:51:48,110
away from being able to do that but if

2445
01:51:53,169 --> 01:51:50,269
we get to that point where we can place

2446
01:51:54,790 --> 01:51:53,179
false memories who's to say that a more

2447
01:51:58,389 --> 01:51:54,800
advanced civilization hasn't already

2448
01:52:00,639 --> 01:51:58,399
done that just like going back to the

2449
01:52:02,229 --> 01:52:00,649
Tibetan traditions in a dream I mean

2450
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:02,239
we've all had dreams where we remembered

2451
01:52:07,029 --> 01:52:04,610
stuff then we wake up you realize that's

2452
01:52:09,639 --> 01:52:07,039
not a real memory that was a memory from

2453
01:52:11,830 --> 01:52:09,649
within that dream world and of that

2454
01:52:15,159 --> 01:52:11,840
character it's like the backstories you

2455
01:52:17,409 --> 01:52:15,169
know in in in in NPCs with in video

2456
01:52:20,679 --> 01:52:17,419
games that can be like false memories

2457
01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:20,689
and so you know it's all related to this

2458
01:52:24,939 --> 01:52:22,610
idea of virtual characters and what's

2459
01:52:26,919 --> 01:52:24,949
real and what's not and that's you know

2460
01:52:28,659 --> 01:52:26,929
what's great about still ok Dick's work

2461
01:52:29,770 --> 01:52:28,669
is it was very much and when I

2462
01:52:31,419 --> 01:52:29,780
interviewed Tessa I you know she's it

2463
01:52:33,279 --> 01:52:31,429
was very much about what is real and

2464
01:52:35,560 --> 01:52:33,289
what isn't and and you know she

2465
01:52:40,259 --> 01:52:35,570
mentioned that with the man in the high

2466
01:52:43,779 --> 01:52:40,269
castle you know he actually remembered a

2467
01:52:46,089 --> 01:52:43,789
timeline where the Axis powers won the

2468
01:52:48,429 --> 01:52:46,099
war and she said that he believed

2469
01:52:50,290 --> 01:52:48,439
someone rewound that simulation because

2470
01:52:52,750 --> 01:52:50,300
they didn't like that result and then

2471
01:52:54,850 --> 01:52:52,760
got us on our current timeline well if

2472
01:52:57,009 --> 01:52:54,860
we're in a simulated reality then you

2473
01:52:59,500 --> 01:52:57,019
can do things like that you can rewind

2474
01:53:00,729 --> 01:52:59,510
the timeline and then forward it again

2475
01:53:03,759 --> 01:53:00,739
and I have the transcript you know of

2476
01:53:06,759 --> 01:53:03,769
our interview up if somebody does a

2477
01:53:08,620 --> 01:53:06,769
search on say locate a dick the matrix

2478
01:53:11,529 --> 01:53:08,630
a conversation that I had with Tessa and

2479
01:53:16,419 --> 01:53:11,539
she talks more about that now what would

2480
01:53:18,759 --> 01:53:16,429
happen I mean how would we discover that

2481
01:53:21,689 --> 01:53:18,769
we are actually living in a simulation

2482
01:53:24,729 --> 01:53:21,699
would it be a glitch in the code you

2483
01:53:27,669 --> 01:53:24,739
know something that we could react to I

2484
01:53:29,229 --> 01:53:27,679
mean would that be free we'll do you

2485
01:53:33,729 --> 01:53:29,239
know what I mean that would take us off

2486
01:53:37,899 --> 01:53:33,739
of the said code of the simulation and

2487
01:53:40,029 --> 01:53:37,909
then would reveal itself to us and then

2488
01:53:43,179 --> 01:53:40,039
we could react to it in a free will

2489
01:53:45,939 --> 01:53:43,189
sense because we're rendering in

2490
01:53:48,580 --> 01:53:45,949
real-time right what would that would

2491
01:53:50,439 --> 01:53:48,590
that would that freak us out well I

2492
01:53:52,419 --> 01:53:50,449
think that that would and that's you

2493
01:53:55,810 --> 01:53:52,429
know I mentioned you know Jacques Vallee

2494
01:53:59,589 --> 01:53:55,820
earlier and you know he believes as many

2495
01:54:01,509 --> 01:53:59,599
people do that synchronicity is like a

2496
01:54:04,449 --> 01:54:01,519
glitch in the matrix and that it's

2497
01:54:05,890 --> 01:54:04,459
stored based on Association right that

2498
01:54:08,830 --> 01:54:05,900
information when you store information

2499
01:54:11,500 --> 01:54:08,840
in the database you store it based on

2500
01:54:13,509 --> 01:54:11,510
how things are associated and so you

2501
01:54:15,189 --> 01:54:13,519
know these are like little glitches in

2502
01:54:17,770 --> 01:54:15,199
the matrix and some people believe the

2503
01:54:22,509 --> 01:54:17,780
Mandela effect is basically evidence

2504
01:54:25,029 --> 01:54:22,519
that reality can be unwound and then we

2505
01:54:28,089 --> 01:54:25,039
move forward now I don't know if you've

2506
01:54:29,679 --> 01:54:28,099
seen The Adjustment Bureau I have which

2507
01:54:32,919 --> 01:54:29,689
was based on you know philip k dick

2508
01:54:35,620 --> 01:54:32,929
short story the adjustment team and in

2509
01:54:37,959 --> 01:54:35,630
that you know they what happened was

2510
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:37,969
they froze like an entire building in

2511
01:54:43,259 --> 01:54:41,090
the story itself and then they changed

2512
01:54:45,609 --> 01:54:43,269
people's memories and then they

2513
01:54:47,589 --> 01:54:45,619
forwarded those characters so those

2514
01:54:49,449 --> 01:54:47,599
characters only remembered the new way

2515
01:54:52,089 --> 01:54:49,459
they didn't remember what had happened

2516
01:54:53,439 --> 01:54:52,099
before but the main character was

2517
01:54:55,029 --> 01:54:53,449
supposed to be in the building and he

2518
01:54:56,949 --> 01:54:55,039
was and he walked in on them while they

2519
01:54:59,649 --> 01:54:56,959
were adjusting everybody and he

2520
01:55:02,229 --> 01:54:59,659
remembered both the old way things used

2521
01:55:03,250 --> 01:55:02,239
to be and the new way and it's just

2522
01:55:05,169 --> 01:55:03,260
slightly different from the movie but

2523
01:55:08,799 --> 01:55:05,179
this is from the actual novel itself I

2524
01:55:11,799 --> 01:55:08,809
mean the short story itself and that was

2525
01:55:13,270 --> 01:55:11,809
you know a case where you've got someone

2526
01:55:15,339 --> 01:55:13,280
remembering something that's different

2527
01:55:17,770 --> 01:55:15,349
from what everybody else remembers so it

2528
01:55:20,499 --> 01:55:17,780
gets back to this idea a false memory so

2529
01:55:22,779 --> 01:55:20,509
that's one way of detecting it

2530
01:55:24,339 --> 01:55:22,789
another way is that there's a series of

2531
01:55:26,829 --> 01:55:24,349
physicists who believe that

2532
01:55:31,229 --> 01:55:26,839
you know as we do more delayed choice

2533
01:55:33,669 --> 01:55:31,239
experiments so there's a physicist named

2534
01:55:37,359 --> 01:55:33,679
Tom Campbell who wrote a book called my

2535
01:55:38,829 --> 01:55:37,369
big toe my theory of everything and you

2536
01:55:41,379 --> 01:55:38,839
know they are doing some experiments

2537
01:55:43,809 --> 01:55:41,389
with some folks at Caltech to show that

2538
01:55:46,269 --> 01:55:43,819
in fact the world is rendered only when

2539
01:55:48,519 --> 01:55:46,279
we observe it I mean that's been true at

2540
01:55:51,549 --> 01:55:48,529
the subatomic level but they wanted to

2541
01:55:52,869 --> 01:55:51,559
do a series of experiments you know

2542
01:55:53,949 --> 01:55:52,879
which build on the delayed choice

2543
01:55:56,289 --> 01:55:53,959
experiment I was talking about earlier

2544
01:55:59,079 --> 01:55:56,299
where you don't make the choice until

2545
01:56:01,239 --> 01:55:59,089
three steps down the road and so if they

2546
01:56:03,819 --> 01:56:01,249
can verify that all those three steps

2547
01:56:05,949 --> 01:56:03,829
aren't rendered until the choice is made

2548
01:56:07,449 --> 01:56:05,959
you know they believe you can prove that

2549
01:56:09,969 --> 01:56:07,459
it's just like a video game so that's

2550
01:56:12,519 --> 01:56:09,979
another way now there's yet a different

2551
01:56:14,859 --> 01:56:12,529
way some people believe we can sense we

2552
01:56:17,799 --> 01:56:14,869
can detect that we have pixels

2553
01:56:20,709 --> 01:56:17,809
all right so pixels are the the basis of

2554
01:56:24,039 --> 01:56:20,719
render worlds in our video games and so

2555
01:56:27,549 --> 01:56:24,049
the question is is the physical universe

2556
01:56:29,529 --> 01:56:27,559
pixelated right right and and many

2557
01:56:31,929 --> 01:56:29,539
people think that it is I mean I

2558
01:56:35,049 --> 01:56:31,939
remember a first hearing about Zeno's

2559
01:56:37,599 --> 01:56:35,059
paradox right which is it was a Greek

2560
01:56:39,669 --> 01:56:37,609
philosopher who had many paradoxes but

2561
01:56:42,819 --> 01:56:39,679
one of his main paradoxes was with

2562
01:56:44,169 --> 01:56:42,829
Achilles and a tortoise and he said if

2563
01:56:47,199 --> 01:56:44,179
Achilles needs to catch up to the

2564
01:56:48,639 --> 01:56:47,209
tortoise first he has to get halfway to

2565
01:56:50,469 --> 01:56:48,649
you know between himself and the

2566
01:56:52,689 --> 01:56:50,479
tortoise and then he has to get halfway

2567
01:56:56,049 --> 01:56:52,699
between that and then halfway between

2568
01:56:58,239 --> 01:56:56,059
that and so if distance was continuous

2569
01:56:59,979 --> 01:56:58,249
you could always go half way and you

2570
01:57:02,019 --> 01:56:59,989
would never quite reach it the same idea

2571
01:57:04,059 --> 01:57:02,029
of how do you actually touch the wall

2572
01:57:06,899 --> 01:57:04,069
with your finger because you always have

2573
01:57:09,249 --> 01:57:06,909
to go half way and so at some point

2574
01:57:11,019 --> 01:57:09,259
either has to be something that says

2575
01:57:14,619 --> 01:57:11,029
okay you've gone over the the smallest

2576
01:57:15,999 --> 01:57:14,629
possible limit to to fill the gap

2577
01:57:18,099 --> 01:57:16,009
otherwise you would just keep going half

2578
01:57:21,369 --> 01:57:18,109
and half and half forever ad infinitum

2579
01:57:22,569 --> 01:57:21,379
and that's smallest it would be like a

2580
01:57:25,299 --> 01:57:22,579
pixelization

2581
01:57:27,129 --> 01:57:25,309
of space and it turns out there is a

2582
01:57:31,149 --> 01:57:27,139
value like that it's Planck's constant

2583
01:57:33,339 --> 01:57:31,159
and below that value they can't measure

2584
01:57:33,970 --> 01:57:33,349
anything so nothing is reliable so it's

2585
01:57:36,430 --> 01:57:33,980
considered

2586
01:57:40,270 --> 01:57:36,440
the smallest measurable value but it's

2587
01:57:42,760 --> 01:57:40,280
based on the speed of light that's how

2588
01:57:46,450 --> 01:57:42,770
he derived you know that specific value

2589
01:57:50,140 --> 01:57:46,460
and so if we think of pixels in a video

2590
01:57:54,479 --> 01:57:50,150
game they're individual pixels that are

2591
01:57:56,979 --> 01:57:54,489
lit up right based upon some information

2592
01:57:59,260 --> 01:57:56,989
that's stored in the computer that says

2593
01:58:00,970 --> 01:57:59,270
you know I'm in the house and they're

2594
01:58:03,790 --> 01:58:00,980
models say I need to render this

2595
01:58:06,220 --> 01:58:03,800
specific set of pixels and so some

2596
01:58:07,990 --> 01:58:06,230
people think we can detect the pixels by

2597
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:08,000
looking at the structure so that's yet

2598
01:58:12,820 --> 01:58:10,970
another way to try to detect you know if

2599
01:58:13,990 --> 01:58:12,830
we're actually inside a computer

2600
01:58:16,420 --> 01:58:14,000
simulated world some people think

2601
01:58:18,729 --> 01:58:16,430
fractal algorithms are evidence of

2602
01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:18,739
computation there yeah I saw this

2603
01:58:25,990 --> 01:58:23,330
debated with a Brian green and the

2604
01:58:28,090 --> 01:58:26,000
evidence presented forward about us

2605
01:58:30,190 --> 01:58:28,100
being pixels all the way around

2606
01:58:32,050 --> 01:58:30,200
everything that you look it was

2607
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:32,060
fascinating we're gonna continue this

2608
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conversation with Risberg

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welcome back fade to black I am your

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host Jimmy Church okay a couple of

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updates

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his name was mouse it was not rat in the

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matrix

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his name was mouse so I got that up and

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then also over in Twitter everybody I

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02:04:00,590 --> 02:03:57,570
don't remember the animation episodes of

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02:04:03,350 --> 02:04:00,600
Fringe all you got to do is look it up I

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just posted a picture here is Leonard

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02:04:10,790 --> 02:04:08,070
Nimoy and they're there it's a still

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02:04:12,200 --> 02:04:10,800
from some of the episodes of Fringe that

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02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:12,210
were in animation that we're incredible

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02:04:16,610 --> 02:04:14,010
all you got to do is search it

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02:04:18,650 --> 02:04:16,620
fringe animation episodes and you'll get

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02:04:21,380 --> 02:04:18,660
thousands of images but there's one

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02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:21,390
there and I wanted to say this this is

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02:04:28,130 --> 02:04:23,370
where I want to go next some of the

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02:04:31,940 --> 02:04:28,140
philosophical sides of of the simulation

2738
02:04:35,479 --> 02:04:31,950
hypothesis at Universal Studios here in

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02:04:37,729 --> 02:04:35,489
Los Angeles R is in city wok they used

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02:04:40,220 --> 02:04:37,739
to have they don't have them anymore but

2741
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:40,230
they for years they have these four

2742
02:04:45,800 --> 02:04:43,050
virtual roller coasters that you could

2743
02:04:48,140 --> 02:04:45,810
ride and one was like in a mineshaft and

2744
02:04:49,580 --> 02:04:48,150
one was in outer space and one was you

2745
02:04:53,540 --> 02:04:49,590
know whatever and one was traditional

2746
02:04:55,910 --> 02:04:53,550
but they were free if you went you know

2747
02:04:57,770 --> 02:04:55,920
paid for city wok you could ride these

2748
02:04:59,900 --> 02:04:57,780
right and me and my friends we would

2749
02:05:00,350 --> 02:04:59,910
just write them one after another we'd

2750
02:05:03,350 --> 02:05:00,360
come off

2751
02:05:06,050 --> 02:05:03,360
and it was virtual you're sitting in a

2752
02:05:08,510 --> 02:05:06,060
chair that's moving right and you've got

2753
02:05:10,430 --> 02:05:08,520
this 3d surround of this rollercoaster

2754
02:05:13,580 --> 02:05:10,440
and the noise and the clanking and

2755
02:05:16,580 --> 02:05:13,590
everything but I didn't care it wasn't a

2756
02:05:21,290 --> 02:05:16,590
real rollercoaster but it was just as

2757
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:21,300
exciting if it felt real now if we're

2758
02:05:27,920 --> 02:05:25,370
living in a simulation do we care

2759
02:05:30,620 --> 02:05:27,930
well that's an interesting question you

2760
02:05:32,900 --> 02:05:30,630
know that reminds me of the Back to the

2761
02:05:35,090 --> 02:05:32,910
Future ride at Universal Studios in

2762
02:05:37,850 --> 02:05:35,100
Florida which I don't know if they still

2763
02:05:41,030 --> 02:05:37,860
have it there but you were in you know

2764
02:05:44,330 --> 02:05:41,040
that DeLorean and you were basically it

2765
02:05:46,250 --> 02:05:44,340
would move left and right so it has

2766
02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:46,260
kind of what we consider haptic or

2767
02:05:51,410 --> 02:05:49,650
kinesthetic responses you know kind of

2768
02:05:54,200 --> 02:05:51,420
like in a movie theater where they've

2769
02:05:56,149 --> 02:05:54,210
got the the chairs that vibrate you know

2770
02:05:59,950 --> 02:05:56,159
and there's an explosion on the screen

2771
02:06:04,129 --> 02:05:59,960
and so you know I think our technology

2772
02:06:05,959 --> 02:06:04,139
you know I'm I'm a videogame guy and our

2773
02:06:08,120 --> 02:06:05,969
technology is getting to that point

2774
02:06:10,399 --> 02:06:08,130
where you know I mentioned the ping-pong

2775
02:06:12,620 --> 02:06:10,409
game earlier where I thought I was

2776
02:06:15,680 --> 02:06:12,630
really there but if you look at

2777
02:06:17,270 --> 02:06:15,690
something like ready player one the

2778
02:06:19,040 --> 02:06:17,280
movie that came out from Steven

2779
02:06:22,729 --> 02:06:19,050
Spielberg last year and based on the

2780
02:06:25,310 --> 02:06:22,739
book by our Ernest Cline they had they

2781
02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:25,320
would wear haptic suits while they were

2782
02:06:29,300 --> 02:06:27,810
inside the virtual reality right so they

2783
02:06:30,950 --> 02:06:29,310
could feel if they were being punched

2784
02:06:32,780 --> 02:06:30,960
and they were they would be on these

2785
02:06:34,700 --> 02:06:32,790
treadmills these omnidirectional

2786
02:06:37,010 --> 02:06:34,710
treadmills so they could feel like they

2787
02:06:39,470 --> 02:06:37,020
were actually moving and many people

2788
02:06:42,410 --> 02:06:39,480
preferred the reality inside the Oasis

2789
02:06:43,820 --> 02:06:42,420
you know to the physical reality that

2790
02:06:47,089 --> 02:06:43,830
was described in that novel which is

2791
02:06:49,990 --> 02:06:47,099
kind of a dystopian future and so you

2792
02:06:52,760 --> 02:06:50,000
know it's it's an interesting question

2793
02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:52,770
what does it matter I mean what does it

2794
02:06:58,280 --> 02:06:55,920
matter if you feel the same emotions

2795
02:07:00,109 --> 02:06:58,290
you're still dealing with the

2796
02:07:02,720 --> 02:07:00,119
implications of breaking the law or

2797
02:07:05,870 --> 02:07:02,730
murder or morals and ethics and of

2798
02:07:09,500 --> 02:07:05,880
course food and experiences and dreams

2799
02:07:12,080 --> 02:07:09,510
and and everything if what what would it

2800
02:07:16,550 --> 02:07:12,090
matter what should we care would you

2801
02:07:18,080 --> 02:07:16,560
care I personally would but you know

2802
02:07:21,439 --> 02:07:18,090
it's a it's a question that many people

2803
02:07:23,209 --> 02:07:21,449
ask and it's one of the areas that you

2804
02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:23,219
know in simulation hypothesis you get a

2805
02:07:27,470 --> 02:07:25,050
certain percentage of people so I get

2806
02:07:30,410 --> 02:07:27,480
interesting reactions when I talk about

2807
02:07:32,570 --> 02:07:30,420
this right there are some of the

2808
02:07:34,220 --> 02:07:32,580
scientists who say oh that's just like

2809
02:07:35,570 --> 02:07:34,230
religion therefore you know we don't

2810
02:07:38,990 --> 02:07:35,580
want you know we don't want to take it

2811
02:07:40,910 --> 02:07:39,000
seriously and then sometimes you go far

2812
02:07:44,180 --> 02:07:40,920
on the religious consciousness side and

2813
02:07:46,339 --> 02:07:44,190
they say oh that's just AI and we're not

2814
02:07:47,780 --> 02:07:46,349
AI we're conscious beings therefore we

2815
02:07:50,899 --> 02:07:47,790
can't take the simulation hypothesis

2816
02:07:52,609 --> 02:07:50,909
seriously and it's when you've got you

2817
02:07:53,899 --> 02:07:52,619
know both sides kind of unhappy with it

2818
02:07:57,419 --> 02:07:53,909
that I know we must be onto something

2819
02:07:59,339 --> 02:07:57,429
here that we're really bridging this

2820
02:08:01,439 --> 02:07:59,349
but then a third reaction sometimes is

2821
02:08:03,629 --> 02:08:01,449
well what does it matter let's forget

2822
02:08:06,209 --> 02:08:03,639
about it but when you want to know if

2823
02:08:08,069 --> 02:08:06,219
you were inside a holodeck right to know

2824
02:08:10,919 --> 02:08:08,079
that there was an actual spaceship

2825
02:08:13,819 --> 02:08:10,929
enterprise outside the holodeck I think

2826
02:08:18,509 --> 02:08:13,829
it can give you a sense of perspective

2827
02:08:20,609 --> 02:08:18,519
not unlike you know what people who have

2828
02:08:23,310 --> 02:08:20,619
had a near-death experience right they

2829
02:08:27,330 --> 02:08:23,320
get a perspective on what's going on in

2830
02:08:28,830 --> 02:08:27,340
their lives and it helps them to act a

2831
02:08:30,330 --> 02:08:28,840
certain way and helps them to make

2832
02:08:32,910 --> 02:08:30,340
progress in the video game I mean if you

2833
02:08:35,699 --> 02:08:32,920
were inside a videogame it wouldn't it

2834
02:08:38,129 --> 02:08:35,709
help you to know what elements were

2835
02:08:41,160 --> 02:08:38,139
being used to keep score and what your

2836
02:08:43,739 --> 02:08:41,170
quests or achievements are versus

2837
02:08:46,020 --> 02:08:43,749
thinking it's just all pointless so I

2838
02:08:48,270 --> 02:08:46,030
personally would want to know but maybe

2839
02:08:53,489 --> 02:08:48,280
not everyone would want to know if the

2840
02:08:57,060 --> 02:08:53,499
universe is math right that's all it is

2841
02:09:00,359 --> 02:08:57,070
the universe is nothing but math and

2842
02:09:02,100 --> 02:09:00,369
things are going to happen the way that

2843
02:09:06,029 --> 02:09:02,110
they're gonna happen which brings up the

2844
02:09:08,429 --> 02:09:06,039
question of free will and or not that

2845
02:09:10,620 --> 02:09:08,439
everything is predetermined and if that

2846
02:09:13,799 --> 02:09:10,630
is indeed the case now we are talking

2847
02:09:17,399 --> 02:09:13,809
about numbers and what we are doing

2848
02:09:21,509 --> 02:09:17,409
right now is can't be anything but a

2849
02:09:23,729 --> 02:09:21,519
simulation right so this gets back to

2850
02:09:25,859 --> 02:09:23,739
that kind of central debate among

2851
02:09:28,080 --> 02:09:25,869
simulation theorists and if there

2852
02:09:29,310 --> 02:09:28,090
actually is such a term but there are

2853
02:09:33,719 --> 02:09:29,320
certainly people that love to debate

2854
02:09:38,699 --> 02:09:33,729
this stuff online that whether we are in

2855
02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:38,709
fact AI or not and this is where we're

2856
02:09:46,169 --> 02:09:43,570
trying to this idea of why do you need a

2857
02:09:49,339 --> 02:09:46,179
computer simulation for anything and

2858
02:09:53,009 --> 02:09:49,349
there's a concept called computational

2859
02:09:54,959 --> 02:09:53,019
irreducibility and you know this was

2860
02:09:57,839 --> 02:09:54,969
popularized by Stephen Wolfram who

2861
02:09:59,100 --> 02:09:57,849
created the Mathematica software but you

2862
02:10:01,189 --> 02:09:59,110
know it's been around for a while and it

2863
02:10:03,390 --> 02:10:01,199
ties into ideas of chaos theory and

2864
02:10:05,549 --> 02:10:03,400
chaos theory came about because people

2865
02:10:10,540 --> 02:10:05,559
realized that even if you have a purely

2866
02:10:13,390 --> 02:10:10,550
deterministic model that says

2867
02:10:15,279 --> 02:10:13,400
you know a set of equations x equals x

2868
02:10:19,209 --> 02:10:15,289
plus 1 and you keep running it again and

2869
02:10:21,669 --> 02:10:19,219
again and again for you to know what is

2870
02:10:24,100 --> 02:10:21,679
gonna happen at the 50 millionth step

2871
02:10:26,890 --> 02:10:24,110
you can't just calculate it you have to

2872
02:10:29,879 --> 02:10:26,900
actually run the program 50 million

2873
02:10:32,680 --> 02:10:29,889
times and that even a slight change in

2874
02:10:35,410 --> 02:10:32,690
the input variables can result in a

2875
02:10:38,049 --> 02:10:35,420
vastly different outcome this is when

2876
02:10:39,549 --> 02:10:38,059
people try to predict the weather for

2877
02:10:41,049 --> 02:10:39,559
example this is why they were so bad at

2878
02:10:44,049 --> 02:10:41,059
it for a while but as computational

2879
02:10:45,640 --> 02:10:44,059
power started to get better they started

2880
02:10:47,529 --> 02:10:45,650
to become better at predicting at least

2881
02:10:48,729 --> 02:10:47,539
within a few days right we still can't

2882
02:10:51,609 --> 02:10:48,739
predict what the weather's gonna be like

2883
02:10:53,680 --> 02:10:51,619
a year from now exactly on this day at

2884
02:10:56,709 --> 02:10:53,690
this time that's because there are so

2885
02:10:58,779 --> 02:10:56,719
many variables to simulate but but it's

2886
02:11:01,270 --> 02:10:58,789
a computational irreducible problem and

2887
02:11:03,910 --> 02:11:01,280
that you have to compute it and so if

2888
02:11:06,430 --> 02:11:03,920
that's the case with the simulation even

2889
02:11:08,319 --> 02:11:06,440
if we're in a simulation where the

2890
02:11:10,569 --> 02:11:08,329
initial variables are determined the

2891
02:11:13,359 --> 02:11:10,579
reason you run the simulation is there

2892
02:11:15,790 --> 02:11:13,369
you need to account for little my new

2893
02:11:18,399 --> 02:11:15,800
changes to see where they would end up

2894
02:11:20,229 --> 02:11:18,409
and and if the certain extent you know

2895
02:11:22,060 --> 02:11:20,239
this is what tessa was telling us about

2896
02:11:24,459 --> 02:11:22,070
philip k dick where he believed that

2897
02:11:26,859 --> 02:11:24,469
there were some beings whether they were

2898
02:11:29,319 --> 02:11:26,869
from the future or who knows where they

2899
02:11:30,759 --> 02:11:29,329
would run the simulation to see where it

2900
02:11:31,899 --> 02:11:30,769
led and then they say well they weren't

2901
02:11:34,810 --> 02:11:31,909
happy with an outcome and they would

2902
02:11:37,479 --> 02:11:34,820
rewind the simulation and to go in a

2903
02:11:39,939 --> 02:11:37,489
different direction so there has to be

2904
02:11:41,560 --> 02:11:39,949
some element of randomness refer a free

2905
02:11:43,620 --> 02:11:41,570
choice there and you know i tend to be

2906
02:11:46,180 --> 02:11:43,630
believe that just like a video game

2907
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:46,190
there may be limited choices but you are

2908
02:11:50,979 --> 02:11:48,650
free to kill the orc or not in the video

2909
02:11:53,859 --> 02:11:50,989
game so the player who is controlling

2910
02:11:55,419 --> 02:11:53,869
the character does have the option of

2911
02:11:57,729 --> 02:11:55,429
changing things and that leads to a

2912
02:12:03,540 --> 02:11:57,739
different result in the simulation

2913
02:12:06,489 --> 02:12:03,550
itself well if we if we accept the

2914
02:12:08,790 --> 02:12:06,499
simulation hypothesis let's let's go

2915
02:12:13,899 --> 02:12:08,800
there for a second and let's table that

2916
02:12:17,259 --> 02:12:13,909
then the question of parallel worlds and

2917
02:12:20,049 --> 02:12:17,269
and the multiverse the one aspect that

2918
02:12:21,879 --> 02:12:20,059
is always up for debate is the

2919
02:12:23,919 --> 02:12:21,889
physicality of

2920
02:12:25,930 --> 02:12:23,929
said parallel-world how could that be

2921
02:12:29,140 --> 02:12:25,940
possible an alternate timeline that's

2922
02:12:31,330 --> 02:12:29,150
just like our world that's just a little

2923
02:12:34,390 --> 02:12:31,340
bit different but it exists

2924
02:12:38,500 --> 02:12:34,400
well that would answer the physical side

2925
02:12:42,689 --> 02:12:38,510
of it right that just just a simulation

2926
02:12:45,850 --> 02:12:42,699
it's not a physical parallel world and

2927
02:12:48,550 --> 02:12:45,860
and and the the multi versus that would

2928
02:12:53,320 --> 02:12:48,560
be out there it's just a simulation

2929
02:12:54,970 --> 02:12:53,330
right so if you think about if the

2930
02:12:57,669 --> 02:12:54,980
parallel worlds are the many-worlds

2931
02:13:00,820 --> 02:12:57,679
interpretation of quantum physics is

2932
02:13:04,209 --> 02:13:00,830
that every time there's a choice or the

2933
02:13:05,379 --> 02:13:04,219
universe is actually branching into two

2934
02:13:06,760 --> 02:13:05,389
different universes and then you have

2935
02:13:08,200 --> 02:13:06,770
another choice and it's branching into

2936
02:13:10,750 --> 02:13:08,210
two different universes right right

2937
02:13:14,109 --> 02:13:10,760
right on and on and on so there's an

2938
02:13:15,550 --> 02:13:14,119
almost infinite set of worlds no Stephen

2939
02:13:17,530 --> 02:13:15,560
Hawking said it's not infinite because

2940
02:13:19,209 --> 02:13:17,540
there are only so many particles that

2941
02:13:21,340 --> 02:13:19,219
you can arrange it in so many ways but

2942
02:13:24,160 --> 02:13:21,350
it's a very large number in any case

2943
02:13:27,600 --> 02:13:24,170
well turns out the only way to do that

2944
02:13:30,490 --> 02:13:27,610
you would have to clone the existing

2945
02:13:33,580 --> 02:13:30,500
world right in our physical world and

2946
02:13:34,479 --> 02:13:33,590
then have it go off in a slightly

2947
02:13:38,140 --> 02:13:34,489
different direction then you would have

2948
02:13:40,959 --> 02:13:38,150
to clone that again now that's pretty

2949
02:13:43,419 --> 02:13:40,969
easy to do on a video game server right

2950
02:13:45,820 --> 02:13:43,429
we can clone you know - we can take a

2951
02:13:47,800 --> 02:13:45,830
world of warcraft server and say this is

2952
02:13:49,810 --> 02:13:47,810
the status and let's make another copy

2953
02:13:52,419 --> 02:13:49,820
of it on another server and then we can

2954
02:13:55,540 --> 02:13:52,429
let that run independently so that then

2955
02:13:57,910 --> 02:13:55,550
people can make different choices but in

2956
02:14:01,000 --> 02:13:57,920
fact you know in computer science

2957
02:14:02,950 --> 02:14:01,010
this idea of copying pixels and copying

2958
02:14:07,300 --> 02:14:02,960
information it's a it's a basic

2959
02:14:10,510 --> 02:14:07,310
operation that can be done very fast and

2960
02:14:12,550 --> 02:14:10,520
very quickly so the only practical way

2961
02:14:15,040 --> 02:14:12,560
to have these different universes

2962
02:14:17,620 --> 02:14:15,050
created on the spot like that would be

2963
02:14:21,310 --> 02:14:17,630
to have some type of computation that

2964
02:14:24,250 --> 02:14:21,320
can do a clone very quickly and that's

2965
02:14:27,910 --> 02:14:24,260
another reason why the simulation

2966
02:14:29,590 --> 02:14:27,920
hypothesis ties into quantum physics and

2967
02:14:31,089 --> 02:14:29,600
this idea of parallel universes now you

2968
02:14:33,759 --> 02:14:31,099
know I mentioned my first video game I

2969
02:14:35,609 --> 02:14:33,769
ever created was tic-tac-toe game and

2970
02:14:37,779 --> 02:14:35,619
you know I've played against my brother

2971
02:14:39,790 --> 02:14:37,789
initially and then he got bored so then

2972
02:14:42,220 --> 02:14:39,800
I tried to create an algorithm that

2973
02:14:43,779 --> 02:14:42,230
would kind of predict you know where the

2974
02:14:45,250 --> 02:14:43,789
best place is to put the action or

2975
02:14:48,489 --> 02:14:45,260
though oh and that's not very hard to do

2976
02:14:51,220 --> 02:14:48,499
with tic-tac-toe but I mentioned Claude

2977
02:14:52,830 --> 02:14:51,230
Shannon who was a mighty professor who

2978
02:14:57,189 --> 02:14:52,840
built the chess-playing computer back in

2979
02:14:59,200 --> 02:14:57,199
1950s you know he laid out the basic way

2980
02:15:01,180 --> 02:14:59,210
that even today a lot of chess-playing

2981
02:15:02,549 --> 02:15:01,190
computers at least for many years they

2982
02:15:07,180 --> 02:15:02,559
worked this way and they would project

2983
02:15:09,399 --> 02:15:07,190
each of the possible moves and then they

2984
02:15:11,169 --> 02:15:09,409
would evaluate you know what the ideal

2985
02:15:14,500 --> 02:15:11,179
situation was and then they would back

2986
02:15:16,299 --> 02:15:14,510
up and then go towards that ideal move

2987
02:15:18,430 --> 02:15:16,309
and so years later when I was building

2988
02:15:20,470 --> 02:15:18,440
you know more video games and that that

2989
02:15:24,009 --> 02:15:20,480
we're trying to basically have all these

2990
02:15:26,830 --> 02:15:24,019
alternatives in in memory and then pick

2991
02:15:29,379 --> 02:15:26,840
the best one you know it reminded me a

2992
02:15:32,290 --> 02:15:29,389
lot of the parallel worlds theory in

2993
02:15:35,709 --> 02:15:32,300
that these are probable worlds that

2994
02:15:38,589 --> 02:15:35,719
exist is information and then you could

2995
02:15:41,169 --> 02:15:38,599
go down the path and actually render

2996
02:15:42,370 --> 02:15:41,179
whichever one you want but I think the

2997
02:15:45,000 --> 02:15:42,380
only product or way for that to happen

2998
02:15:46,989 --> 02:15:45,010
would it for to be some type of

2999
02:15:49,390 --> 02:15:46,999
computational system some type of

3000
02:15:51,549 --> 02:15:49,400
computer system that's underlying the

3001
02:15:52,989 --> 02:15:51,559
entire mechanism and so if you did do

3002
02:15:56,950 --> 02:15:52,999
that where you started at the beginning

3003
02:16:00,430 --> 02:15:56,960
and you cloned one world and created a

3004
02:16:02,890 --> 02:16:00,440
new one you started the same but in the

3005
02:16:05,859 --> 02:16:02,900
end you would have totally different

3006
02:16:08,379 --> 02:16:05,869
worlds because they would have the same

3007
02:16:11,129 --> 02:16:08,389
outcomes that's right and that's what

3008
02:16:14,470 --> 02:16:11,139
chaos theory is all about it says

3009
02:16:16,060 --> 02:16:14,480
sensitivity to initial conditions and if

3010
02:16:17,770 --> 02:16:16,070
the initial conditions change slightly

3011
02:16:20,680 --> 02:16:17,780
so even though they might be the same at

3012
02:16:24,580 --> 02:16:20,690
step one okay so earlier we talked about

3013
02:16:27,729 --> 02:16:24,590
this idea of pixelization and we said is

3014
02:16:29,859 --> 02:16:27,739
the world pixelated which would make it

3015
02:16:31,870 --> 02:16:29,869
more like a computer simulation in

3016
02:16:36,490 --> 02:16:31,880
computer simulations you also have this

3017
02:16:39,250 --> 02:16:36,500
idea of a clock speed in all processors

3018
02:16:42,580 --> 02:16:39,260
right and so a clock speed for computer

3019
02:16:45,009 --> 02:16:42,590
program is the minimal amount of time

3020
02:16:47,350 --> 02:16:45,019
that you can measure so you can't go

3021
02:16:49,210 --> 02:16:47,360
underneath that so if you're inside of

3022
02:16:52,270 --> 02:16:49,220
that's running on a processor with a

3023
02:16:54,070 --> 02:16:52,280
clock speed if say one millisecond and

3024
02:16:57,310 --> 02:16:54,080
the numbers are actually way smaller

3025
02:17:00,550 --> 02:16:57,320
than one millisecond but you cannot

3026
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:00,560
measure anything that happens at less

3027
02:17:06,400 --> 02:17:04,010
than that and so in a simulation you

3028
02:17:08,470 --> 02:17:06,410
have these discrete steps now you can

3029
02:17:11,230 --> 02:17:08,480
have multiples of that clock speed so

3030
02:17:13,541 --> 02:17:11,240
you might say simulate population of

3031
02:17:16,390 --> 02:17:13,551
fruit flies every step is considered one

3032
02:17:18,490 --> 02:17:16,400
year where the fruit flies you know die

3033
02:17:20,530 --> 02:17:18,500
and then they reproduce and you say

3034
02:17:22,450 --> 02:17:20,540
after ten years what's the population of

3035
02:17:25,180 --> 02:17:22,460
fruit flies and so this is how chaos

3036
02:17:27,370 --> 02:17:25,190
theory actually developed was that even

3037
02:17:29,500 --> 02:17:27,380
little changes somewhere on step two

3038
02:17:33,520 --> 02:17:29,510
ended up producing a vastly different

3039
02:17:34,780 --> 02:17:33,530
outcome you know down the road and so

3040
02:17:37,320 --> 02:17:34,790
that's exactly what could be happening

3041
02:17:41,380 --> 02:17:37,330
you know with these parallel worlds is

3042
02:17:43,810 --> 02:17:41,390
that even a small change in steps two or

3043
02:17:45,850 --> 02:17:43,820
three and in quantum physics they talk

3044
02:17:48,850 --> 02:17:45,860
about you know a very large number

3045
02:17:51,550 --> 02:17:48,860
almost infinite set of possibilities and

3046
02:17:54,340 --> 02:17:51,560
and and multiverses you know that are

3047
02:17:56,410 --> 02:17:54,350
out there okay and you know tying back

3048
02:17:58,630 --> 02:17:56,420
to to lighten up the quantum physics we

3049
02:18:00,581 --> 02:17:58,640
tie back to you know science fiction

3050
02:18:03,070 --> 02:18:00,591
there's you know the the the CW series

3051
02:18:05,110 --> 02:18:03,080
the flash all right and they always go

3052
02:18:07,630 --> 02:18:05,120
to earth 19 and they get characters from

3053
02:18:09,730 --> 02:18:07,640
you know earth - right and from earth 19

3054
02:18:11,890 --> 02:18:09,740
and then you know reasonably there was

3055
02:18:14,740 --> 02:18:11,900
the enter the spider verse but this idea

3056
02:18:17,860 --> 02:18:14,750
has percolated from physics now into

3057
02:18:19,930 --> 02:18:17,870
popular culture as well but you know the

3058
02:18:22,750 --> 02:18:19,940
question of whether they're real or

3059
02:18:24,190 --> 02:18:22,760
computed is an interesting one but if

3060
02:18:26,800 --> 02:18:24,200
they're all simulated then I guess it

3061
02:18:28,900 --> 02:18:26,810
doesn't really matter well what okay so

3062
02:18:31,300 --> 02:18:28,910
now you've you've written a book you've

3063
02:18:35,291 --> 02:18:31,310
compiled all of this information you've

3064
02:18:37,120 --> 02:18:35,301
researched not only the science but the

3065
02:18:41,050 --> 02:18:37,130
religion side and the science fiction

3066
02:18:43,990 --> 02:18:41,060
side what have you learned is it

3067
02:18:46,390 --> 02:18:44,000
possible I asked you earlier if you

3068
02:18:49,390 --> 02:18:46,400
would upload yourself right and he said

3069
02:18:51,490 --> 02:18:49,400
probably not right you're happy in this

3070
02:18:54,130 --> 02:18:51,500
world that we live in but what have you

3071
02:18:57,970 --> 02:18:54,140
learned is are we living in a simulation

3072
02:19:00,889 --> 02:18:57,980
is it possible yeah I think it's not

3073
02:19:04,069 --> 02:19:00,899
only possible I think it's probable it's

3074
02:19:09,469 --> 02:19:04,079
more likely that what we think of as the

3075
02:19:12,139 --> 02:19:09,479
physical world is actually a computed

3076
02:19:15,500 --> 02:19:12,149
world based on information computation

3077
02:19:17,179 --> 02:19:15,510
and in algorithms then the materialistic

3078
02:19:19,069 --> 02:19:17,189
model I mean the materialistic model

3079
02:19:22,009 --> 02:19:19,079
when you get right down to it and you

3080
02:19:24,019 --> 02:19:22,019
talk to the physicist you know as you

3081
02:19:27,409 --> 02:19:24,029
look inside the atom there is no

3082
02:19:30,589 --> 02:19:27,419
physical object there it's really a set

3083
02:19:32,979 --> 02:19:30,599
of relationships and information and so

3084
02:19:36,139 --> 02:19:32,989
if that's the case that sounds so much

3085
02:19:39,229 --> 02:19:36,149
like the video game world that I've been

3086
02:19:41,629 --> 02:19:39,239
in and so as I research these things the

3087
02:19:43,219 --> 02:19:41,639
you know initially it was the spark of

3088
02:19:46,609 --> 02:19:43,229
an eye it was like a little bit of an

3089
02:19:50,479 --> 02:19:46,619
idea that this could be serious but the

3090
02:19:52,909 --> 02:19:50,489
more I investigated the physics the more

3091
02:19:54,710 --> 02:19:52,919
that I investigated the quantum side of

3092
02:19:57,769 --> 02:19:54,720
it the more that I looked at quantum

3093
02:20:00,349 --> 02:19:57,779
computing and how it could be used to

3094
02:20:02,540 --> 02:20:00,359
simulate the world I saw other parallels

3095
02:20:03,800 --> 02:20:02,550
you know with the spiritual and

3096
02:20:05,989 --> 02:20:03,810
religious traditions which I've also

3097
02:20:08,929 --> 02:20:05,999
spent a lot of time studying and so for

3098
02:20:12,889 --> 02:20:08,939
me you know this is the one theory that

3099
02:20:14,510 --> 02:20:12,899
can bring together these different ways

3100
02:20:17,059 --> 02:20:14,520
of looking at the universe in the search

3101
02:20:19,790 --> 02:20:17,069
for truth so I you know well we cannot

3102
02:20:22,250 --> 02:20:19,800
say 100% and yes we were in a simulation

3103
02:20:24,710 --> 02:20:22,260
I what I have learned is I think it's

3104
02:20:27,109 --> 02:20:24,720
much more likely that we are in some

3105
02:20:30,830 --> 02:20:27,119
type of an information-based simulated

3106
02:20:32,569 --> 02:20:30,840
world than not I think the model of

3107
02:20:34,699 --> 02:20:32,579
being in a physical world just doesn't

3108
02:20:38,149 --> 02:20:34,709
match you know many of the findings of

3109
02:20:40,670 --> 02:20:38,159
either quantum physics or of what we've

3110
02:20:44,269 --> 02:20:40,680
been hearing from mystics and spiritual

3111
02:20:47,389 --> 02:20:44,279
traditions it certainly answers a lot of

3112
02:20:51,830 --> 02:20:47,399
questions when you look at things like

3113
02:20:55,399 --> 02:20:51,840
not only the question of UFOs or speed

3114
02:20:57,889 --> 02:20:55,409
faster than speed of light or manure all

3115
02:21:02,569 --> 02:20:57,899
of that because it's a simulation one -

3116
02:21:04,340 --> 02:21:02,579
like us homo sapien sapien how we just

3117
02:21:06,979 --> 02:21:04,350
appeared here two hundred thousand years

3118
02:21:09,739 --> 02:21:06,989
ago and we don't match there is no

3119
02:21:13,450 --> 02:21:09,749
missing link there isn't we just

3120
02:21:16,450 --> 02:21:13,460
appeared well maybe we're just npcs in a

3121
02:21:18,910 --> 02:21:16,460
elation right or who built the pyramids

3122
02:21:20,530 --> 02:21:18,920
we can't figure that out well if it's

3123
02:21:24,190 --> 02:21:20,540
just something that's created in a

3124
02:21:25,990 --> 02:21:24,200
simulation right it seems to answer all

3125
02:21:29,080 --> 02:21:26,000
of those puzzling questions we have

3126
02:21:30,610 --> 02:21:29,090
about ourselves yeah and you know

3127
02:21:32,380 --> 02:21:30,620
there's a chapter in the book about kind

3128
02:21:34,260 --> 02:21:32,390
of this all this unexplained phenomena

3129
02:21:39,490 --> 02:21:34,270
like remote viewing

3130
02:21:42,070 --> 02:21:39,500
Autobody experiences and UFOs and how if

3131
02:21:44,710 --> 02:21:42,080
we're in a simulation this makes sense I

3132
02:21:47,230 --> 02:21:44,720
mean if you think about UFOs right some

3133
02:21:49,740 --> 02:21:47,240
of the puzzling things for scientists

3134
02:21:53,650 --> 02:21:49,750
are there's reports of them just

3135
02:21:55,690 --> 02:21:53,660
materializing out of nowhere right and

3136
02:21:57,850 --> 02:21:55,700
so the question is are they physical or

3137
02:22:00,340 --> 02:21:57,860
are they not how could they just appear

3138
02:22:01,780 --> 02:22:00,350
and then you know in my conversations

3139
02:22:03,850 --> 02:22:01,790
with researchers like like Jacques

3140
02:22:05,860 --> 02:22:03,860
Vallee you know he mentioned that

3141
02:22:08,710 --> 02:22:05,870
sometimes you'll have a case where one

3142
02:22:10,690 --> 02:22:08,720
person sees the UFO and the other person

3143
02:22:14,140 --> 02:22:10,700
doesn't right it's almost like they're

3144
02:22:17,590 --> 02:22:14,150
beaming subjective information well

3145
02:22:19,840 --> 02:22:17,600
turns out in the video game you know you

3146
02:22:21,900 --> 02:22:19,850
and I could are rendering the world in

3147
02:22:25,420 --> 02:22:21,910
our computers or in our own

3148
02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:25,430
consciousness it's very possible to beam

3149
02:22:29,820 --> 02:22:28,010
slightly different information to us so

3150
02:22:32,500 --> 02:22:29,830
that you see the room or the sky

3151
02:22:35,080 --> 02:22:32,510
landscape without the UFO and I see it

3152
02:22:36,640 --> 02:22:35,090
whether UFO there like that's one of the

3153
02:22:40,360 --> 02:22:36,650
only ways you could kind of explain

3154
02:22:44,290 --> 02:22:40,370
these types of things like Bigfoot right

3155
02:22:45,760 --> 02:22:44,300
like Bigfoot right well yeah I mean

3156
02:22:48,219 --> 02:22:45,770
you've got all kinds of different

3157
02:22:51,400 --> 02:22:48,229
Bigfoot now you're into different

3158
02:22:54,300 --> 02:22:51,410
genealogies and lineage and and and you

3159
02:22:57,640 --> 02:22:54,310
know where does it fit in into the the

3160
02:22:59,830 --> 02:22:57,650
anthropological you you really want to

3161
02:23:03,540 --> 02:22:59,840
take it in an in a crazy direction that

3162
02:23:06,700 --> 02:23:03,550
we have a phenomenon like Slenderman

3163
02:23:09,520 --> 02:23:06,710
right and if we're living in a

3164
02:23:13,450 --> 02:23:09,530
simulation that certainly answers a lot

3165
02:23:17,380 --> 02:23:13,460
of questions about Slenderman or ghosts

3166
02:23:20,530 --> 02:23:17,390
or the paranormal or UFO abductions

3167
02:23:23,710 --> 02:23:20,540
right I mean how do they just appear in

3168
02:23:26,730 --> 02:23:23,720
your room and how do you end up going

3169
02:23:30,470 --> 02:23:26,740
through the walls you know into a ship

3170
02:23:33,470 --> 02:23:30,480
if you know we look at those stories and

3171
02:23:36,930 --> 02:23:33,480
you know I look at it as you know

3172
02:23:39,900 --> 02:23:36,940
whatever you believe there should be a

3173
02:23:41,370 --> 02:23:39,910
model that can explain you know how

3174
02:23:42,330 --> 02:23:41,380
something like that could work and that

3175
02:23:44,761 --> 02:23:42,340
you know I'm an engineer by background

3176
02:23:47,520 --> 02:23:44,771
so I like to try to figure out how

3177
02:23:49,830 --> 02:23:47,530
things work and you know the reason you

3178
02:23:51,660 --> 02:23:49,840
know relativity is accepted today is it

3179
02:23:53,250 --> 02:23:51,670
was a better model than classical

3180
02:23:55,320 --> 02:23:53,260
physics for what was actually observed

3181
02:23:58,171 --> 02:23:55,330
so I think if you look at many of these

3182
02:24:01,261 --> 02:23:58,181
areas these fringe areas the simulation

3183
02:24:03,810 --> 02:24:01,271
hypothesis is a better model than you

3184
02:24:07,830 --> 02:24:03,820
know what physicists have been telling

3185
02:24:10,560 --> 02:24:07,840
us as a physical world and so I you know

3186
02:24:12,810 --> 02:24:10,570
it tends to fit if it tends to fit it

3187
02:24:14,610 --> 02:24:12,820
tends to be a useful model and therefore

3188
02:24:15,841 --> 02:24:14,620
I think it's it's a better model and I

3189
02:24:18,060 --> 02:24:15,851
think more and more people are waking up

3190
02:24:21,261 --> 02:24:18,070
to it it's still controversial right I

3191
02:24:25,640 --> 02:24:21,271
mean to a point but you're able to now

3192
02:24:29,551 --> 02:24:25,650
you can walk around the halls of MIT and

3193
02:24:32,881 --> 02:24:29,561
and have these ideas about ET or the

3194
02:24:34,921 --> 02:24:32,891
paranormal Riz but just wrap it right

3195
02:24:36,720 --> 02:24:34,931
into the simulation hypothesis and

3196
02:24:44,970 --> 02:24:36,730
quantum mechanics and you're in a safe

3197
02:24:47,730 --> 02:24:44,980
zone with people at MIT assuming the

3198
02:24:49,230 --> 02:24:47,740
simulation hypothesis where is you know

3199
02:24:51,330 --> 02:24:49,240
if we weren't assuming the simulation

3200
02:24:52,381 --> 02:24:51,340
hypothesis people there wouldn't

3201
02:24:54,511 --> 02:24:52,391
necessarily take that conversation

3202
02:24:58,261 --> 02:24:54,521
seriously they take it much more

3203
02:25:01,350 --> 02:24:58,271
seriously as part of a computational

3204
02:25:03,140 --> 02:25:01,360
based model of how the world works you

3205
02:25:06,120 --> 02:25:03,150
know and I'm one of the few people who

3206
02:25:07,950 --> 02:25:06,130
has experimented with and talked about

3207
02:25:09,660 --> 02:25:07,960
this stuff and we did shamanic

3208
02:25:15,750 --> 02:25:09,670
journeying at the MIT Media Lab you know

3209
02:25:18,291 --> 02:25:15,760
last year which is so that's why you

3210
02:25:20,421 --> 02:25:18,301
wrote the book

3211
02:25:22,310 --> 02:25:20,431
yeah because I mean I spend you know

3212
02:25:24,501 --> 02:25:22,320
part of my time with people in in the

3213
02:25:26,060 --> 02:25:24,511
technological world in the scientific

3214
02:25:28,310 --> 02:25:26,070
world in the video game world and part

3215
02:25:30,770 --> 02:25:28,320
of my time you know with people in kind

3216
02:25:32,751 --> 02:25:30,780
of these more these other areas and so

3217
02:25:35,241 --> 02:25:32,761
this gives me the opportunity to be able

3218
02:25:37,070 --> 02:25:35,251
to talk to all people at all sides so

3219
02:25:40,671 --> 02:25:37,080
wait a minute you did a shaman workshop

3220
02:25:42,831 --> 02:25:40,681
at MIT were you guys smoking DMT no we

3221
02:25:45,711 --> 02:25:42,841
didn't use any pee or any drugs it was

3222
02:25:47,180 --> 02:25:45,721
just using shamanic drumming it was it

3223
02:25:50,661 --> 02:25:47,190
was Kouchner and stress relief for

3224
02:25:52,911 --> 02:25:50,671
entrepreneurs and so it was it was one

3225
02:25:54,770 --> 02:25:52,921
method you know meditation now and

3226
02:25:56,421 --> 02:25:54,780
mindfulness is accepted pretty much at

3227
02:25:59,150 --> 02:25:56,431
MIT and other places as well so this was

3228
02:26:01,280 --> 02:25:59,160
yet another way to try to relax people

3229
02:26:03,801 --> 02:26:01,290
that were stressed out an amazing

3230
02:26:09,381 --> 02:26:03,811
conversation tonight rizz and now the

3231
02:26:12,530 --> 02:26:09,391
book comes out the 31st in a week and a

3232
02:26:14,930 --> 02:26:12,540
half in a week I mean it's a elbow on

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02:26:16,791 --> 02:26:14,940
Amazon to pre-order and it'll be out in

3234
02:26:18,770 --> 02:26:16,801
a week and a half all right on the 20th

3235
02:26:22,640 --> 02:26:18,780
anniversary of the matrix release a much

3236
02:26:25,581 --> 02:26:22,650
success the book is amazing I've read it

3237
02:26:28,791 --> 02:26:25,591
and I highly highly highly recommend the

3238
02:26:31,791 --> 02:26:28,801
book and one of the cool things for me

3239
02:26:34,730 --> 02:26:31,801
about the book is that you do take each

3240
02:26:37,820 --> 02:26:34,740
one of these approaches to the

3241
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:37,830
simulation hypothesis which is video

3242
02:26:44,841 --> 02:26:41,610
gaming computers science physics and of

3243
02:26:46,820 --> 02:26:44,851
course religion and mythology and you

3244
02:26:49,041 --> 02:26:46,830
take each one of those approaches and

3245
02:26:52,701 --> 02:26:49,051
you break it down comprehensively it's

3246
02:26:55,070 --> 02:26:52,711
really well done thank you yeah I really

3247
02:26:57,951 --> 02:26:55,080
wanted to explore each of these areas

3248
02:26:59,331 --> 02:26:57,961
and kind of you know show how you know

3249
02:27:01,940 --> 02:26:59,341
there are very few models that can

3250
02:27:04,341 --> 02:27:01,950
explain all of these things and it's one

3251
02:27:06,741 --> 02:27:04,351
of the few kid that can do that and you

3252
02:27:09,411 --> 02:27:06,751
know Einstein once said science without

3253
02:27:10,820 --> 02:27:09,421
religion is lame and religion without

3254
02:27:13,551 --> 02:27:10,830
science is blind or maybe it was the

3255
02:27:16,100 --> 02:27:13,561
other way around right but you know it

3256
02:27:19,310 --> 02:27:16,110
used to be OK for scientists to talk

3257
02:27:22,430 --> 02:27:19,320
about religion and somehow you know we

3258
02:27:25,100 --> 02:27:22,440
in 500 years we've gone from the church

3259
02:27:26,631 --> 02:27:25,110
suppressing science to now scientists in

3260
02:27:28,640 --> 02:27:26,641
a way suppressing religion are not

3261
02:27:31,190 --> 02:27:28,650
taking it seriously and the simulation

3262
02:27:31,820 --> 02:27:31,200
hypothesis is a key that unlocks the

3263
02:27:33,889 --> 02:27:31,830
door

3264
02:27:36,110 --> 02:27:33,899
to the mysteries of the universe and

3265
02:27:38,420 --> 02:27:36,120
makes it so that we can talk about you

3266
02:27:41,780 --> 02:27:38,430
know with people at MIT and Stanford as

3267
02:27:45,260 --> 02:27:41,790
well as you know on a contacting the

3268
02:27:47,690 --> 02:27:45,270
desert thank you so much rizz amazing

3269
02:27:50,570 --> 02:27:47,700
conversation tonight and enjoy the rest

3270
02:27:52,280 --> 02:27:50,580
of your evening and we'll speak soon yep

3271
02:27:57,559 --> 02:27:52,290
thanks for having me on thank you

3272
02:28:00,349 --> 02:27:57,569
rizz Virk and again it is very easy to

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simulation hypothesis it's got

3278
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illustrations broken down it's really

3279
02:28:14,120 --> 02:28:13,530
well done I highly recommend it this is

3280
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fade to black

3281
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our mios Jimmy Church Thank You Risberg

3282
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and I'm gonna open up the phone lines

3283
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let's go open lines what do you think

3284
02:28:23,810 --> 02:28:23,370
are we living in a simulation I'll be

3285
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right back

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[Music]

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02:33:05,840 --> 02:33:00,980
welcome back fade to black open lines

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right now seven four seven two two eight

3374
02:33:10,700 --> 02:33:08,340
two zero five one want to thank rizz

3375
02:33:15,400 --> 02:33:10,710
Burt the book is called the simulation

3376
02:33:18,590 --> 02:33:15,410
hypothesis are we living in a simulation

3377
02:33:22,670 --> 02:33:18,600
pretty interesting answer at the end of

3378
02:33:25,340 --> 02:33:22,680
the show there were ribs and very highly

3379
02:33:27,320 --> 02:33:25,350
probable and he's one of the smartest

3380
02:33:29,179 --> 02:33:27,330
people on this planet let's go to the

3381
02:33:32,450 --> 02:33:29,189
phones hi you're live on fade to black

3382
02:33:34,460 --> 02:33:32,460
who's calling hey Jimmy it's Andy from

3383
02:33:37,280 --> 02:33:34,470
Dallas how you doing hi sandy from

3384
02:33:39,230 --> 02:33:37,290
Dallas how are you well listen I don't

3385
02:33:41,750 --> 02:33:39,240
get to travel that much but you all give

3386
02:33:43,580 --> 02:33:41,760
me the trip of a lifetime right now it's

3387
02:33:43,880 --> 02:33:43,590
pretty cool are we living yeah I know

3388
02:33:47,620 --> 02:33:43,890
right

3389
02:33:51,860 --> 02:33:47,630
are we living in a simulation sandy

3390
02:33:54,380 --> 02:33:51,870
there's got to be something I I can wrap

3391
02:33:55,940 --> 02:33:54,390
my head around me simulating my own life

3392
02:33:57,920 --> 02:33:55,950
I can wrap my head around that my

3393
02:34:01,130 --> 02:33:57,930
husband I call as my husband worked on

3394
02:34:04,160 --> 02:34:01,140
June 3 worked in video games his whole

3395
02:34:06,950 --> 02:34:04,170
life right oh he did he worked on doom 3

3396
02:34:09,969 --> 02:34:06,960
was that arena was it or is that quite

3397
02:34:14,150 --> 02:34:09,979
quake was arena what was Doom 3 called

3398
02:34:17,030 --> 02:34:14,160
or was it just doom 3 I played it I just

3399
02:34:22,910 --> 02:34:17,040
don't remember it but the title was but

3400
02:34:23,450 --> 02:34:22,920
so what did he do for the game sandy are

3401
02:34:30,230 --> 02:34:23,460
you there

3402
02:34:32,420 --> 02:34:30,240
I lost sandy sandy I lost sandy okay

3403
02:34:35,900 --> 02:34:32,430
sandy call me back I've got your number

3404
02:34:39,800 --> 02:34:35,910
right here let's let's keep the phone's

3405
02:34:42,590 --> 02:34:39,810
going and seven four seven two two eight

3406
02:34:45,770 --> 02:34:42,600
two zero five one hi you're live on fade

3407
02:34:48,290 --> 02:34:45,780
to black who's calling good gymnast like

3408
02:34:58,760 --> 02:34:48,300
in Montana hi mica Montana how you doing

3409
02:35:00,679 --> 02:34:58,770
man good no he's gone what's that he's

3410
02:35:03,920 --> 02:35:00,689
pretty scary good because everything he

3411
02:35:05,480 --> 02:35:03,930
said pretty much a possibility at some

3412
02:35:10,700 --> 02:35:05,490
point in time we're going to be faced

3413
02:35:12,620 --> 02:35:10,710
with I don't know if the reality of what

3414
02:35:16,040 --> 02:35:12,630
we're really in like a matrix

3415
02:35:17,510 --> 02:35:16,050
system or whatever but mm-hmm it it

3416
02:35:21,229 --> 02:35:17,520
makes a lot of sense

3417
02:35:24,559 --> 02:35:21,239
are you or are you okay with it you know

3418
02:35:25,070 --> 02:35:24,569
if it was revealed tomorrow that that's

3419
02:35:27,979 --> 02:35:25,080
it

3420
02:35:30,530 --> 02:35:27,989
we're just NPCs right we're just players

3421
02:35:32,410 --> 02:35:30,540
in a game are you okay with it I mean

3422
02:35:37,070 --> 02:35:32,420
what does it change

3423
02:35:39,439 --> 02:35:37,080
well I have to say this I I did at one

3424
02:35:41,719 --> 02:35:39,449
point my wife when I was very little six

3425
02:35:45,559 --> 02:35:41,729
I drowned and I experienced something I

3426
02:35:47,210 --> 02:35:45,569
can't explain lot of people I didn't

3427
02:35:50,229 --> 02:35:47,220
know anything about phenomenon or

3428
02:35:53,780 --> 02:35:50,239
anything and what I saw really really

3429
02:35:55,820 --> 02:35:53,790
amazed me I'll just put it that way and

3430
02:35:59,870 --> 02:35:55,830
kind of kept me on the straight and

3431
02:36:03,649 --> 02:35:59,880
narrow food how's noise but if this is a

3432
02:36:05,929 --> 02:36:03,659
simulation what are for the volunteers

3433
02:36:08,660 --> 02:36:05,939
were for the ones that volunteer to be

3434
02:36:13,490 --> 02:36:08,670
here to do this to experience this in

3435
02:36:16,519 --> 02:36:13,500
some way and then in reality we never

3436
02:36:18,559 --> 02:36:16,529
really truly died maybe we we just go on

3437
02:36:21,469 --> 02:36:18,569
this is the entertainment and I almost

3438
02:36:24,170 --> 02:36:21,479
signed up for a 50-year run over said

3439
02:36:26,899 --> 02:36:24,180
new year run on the virtual reality

3440
02:36:29,269 --> 02:36:26,909
thing and to them it's you know twenty

3441
02:36:32,929 --> 02:36:29,279
thirty thousand year things who knows

3442
02:36:36,170 --> 02:36:32,939
maybe we are those beings it kind of

3443
02:36:39,740 --> 02:36:36,180
worries me that from what I seen is

3444
02:36:45,609 --> 02:36:39,750
maybe what I saw when I drowned wasn't a

3445
02:36:48,439 --> 02:36:45,619
part of that simulation and if it was he

3446
02:36:51,559 --> 02:36:48,449
changes everything I think about life

3447
02:36:55,399 --> 02:36:51,569
yeah yeah you raised some really good

3448
02:37:00,530 --> 02:36:55,409
points Mike and when you have somebody

3449
02:37:02,630 --> 02:37:00,540
like rizz look I have been studying this

3450
02:37:07,179 --> 02:37:02,640
for a while and one of the things that

3451
02:37:13,960 --> 02:37:07,189
you can do which is really fun to do is

3452
02:37:17,240 --> 02:37:13,970
you can go onto YouTube and punch in

3453
02:37:21,920 --> 02:37:17,250
simulation hypothesis and start to look

3454
02:37:24,439 --> 02:37:21,930
at different debates and presentations

3455
02:37:25,541 --> 02:37:24,449
from scientists from physicists all

3456
02:37:28,991 --> 02:37:25,551
around the world

3457
02:37:32,770 --> 02:37:29,001
where they are seriously looking into

3458
02:37:36,551 --> 02:37:32,780
this and they have the reasons why it is

3459
02:37:38,650 --> 02:37:36,561
a real possibility so I would suggest

3460
02:37:41,261 --> 02:37:38,660
anybody listening to this show right now

3461
02:37:43,001 --> 02:37:41,271
after you know first you know go and get

3462
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Riza's book and mike i want to thank you

3463
02:37:48,461 --> 02:37:45,771
for the phone call is go yeah thank you

3464
02:37:50,650 --> 02:37:48,471
and get Riza's book that's the first

3465
02:37:54,220 --> 02:37:50,660
thing in second just go and start to

3466
02:37:55,991 --> 02:37:54,230
look at the different scientists around

3467
02:37:59,890 --> 02:37:56,001
the world that discussed this it's it's

3468
02:38:02,530 --> 02:37:59,900
amazing and it's it's when you when you

3469
02:38:05,591 --> 02:38:02,540
when you hear people debate this or talk

3470
02:38:07,211 --> 02:38:05,601
about this or or present their ideas

3471
02:38:09,791 --> 02:38:07,221
about this inside of our community

3472
02:38:11,980 --> 02:38:09,801
that's one thing and then go and see

3473
02:38:14,411 --> 02:38:11,990
what others are suggesting here it's

3474
02:38:17,501 --> 02:38:14,421
powerful the material out there is

3475
02:38:18,701 --> 02:38:17,511
strong let's go back to the phones hi

3476
02:38:22,030 --> 02:38:18,711
you're live on fade to black who's

3477
02:38:23,650 --> 02:38:22,040
calling hey Jimmy it's Angela I thought

3478
02:38:26,980 --> 02:38:23,660
it was you I wanted to make sure all

3479
02:38:31,301 --> 02:38:26,990
right sandy what did he do for the video

3480
02:38:34,900 --> 02:38:31,311
game Doom doom three he's a 3d computer

3481
02:38:37,091 --> 02:38:34,910
animator and what does he think about us

3482
02:38:40,780 --> 02:38:37,101
living in a simulation because he's

3483
02:38:45,761 --> 02:38:40,790
creating him himself oh he's there yeah

3484
02:38:48,791 --> 02:38:45,771
he definitely thinks that there is some

3485
02:38:51,911 --> 02:38:48,801
kind of man behind the curtain whether

3486
02:38:56,831 --> 02:38:51,921
it's our own or something but we also

3487
02:39:02,350 --> 02:38:56,841
are very on when we walk with Jesus and

3488
02:39:07,331 --> 02:39:02,360
so we have that also what okay okay I

3489
02:39:10,600 --> 02:39:07,341
was actually going to go there what does

3490
02:39:14,051 --> 02:39:10,610
this do with God I mean how does God

3491
02:39:15,730 --> 02:39:14,061
come into play now what we always say

3492
02:39:19,390 --> 02:39:15,740
when we have discussions about anything

3493
02:39:22,150 --> 02:39:19,400
that's controversial or whatever debate

3494
02:39:24,280 --> 02:39:22,160
you know we always go back to no matter

3495
02:39:26,350 --> 02:39:24,290
what anyone believes there's a creator

3496
02:39:30,030 --> 02:39:26,360
of it all and we believe it's Jesus and

3497
02:39:34,871 --> 02:39:30,040
that's kind of where we leave it that's

3498
02:39:37,600 --> 02:39:34,881
okay is so you know all the greatness

3499
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:37,610
and the quantum physics and the genius

3500
02:39:42,099 --> 02:39:40,010
and the ideas behind it

3501
02:39:49,239 --> 02:39:42,109
there it came from somewhere to begin

3502
02:39:51,880 --> 02:39:49,249
with the question of faith is a weird

3503
02:39:54,580 --> 02:39:51,890
thing to mix when you're dealing with

3504
02:39:59,529 --> 02:39:54,590
ones and zeroes and writing code and

3505
02:40:01,120 --> 02:39:59,539
creating 3d environments it is but he

3506
02:40:01,689 --> 02:40:01,130
created the people who are writing the

3507
02:40:06,210 --> 02:40:01,699
code

3508
02:40:09,069 --> 02:40:06,220
I believe if okay so let's let's let's

3509
02:40:10,929 --> 02:40:09,079
go into a simulation and the reason that

3510
02:40:13,000 --> 02:40:10,939
we don't die is one thing I subscribe to

3511
02:40:16,510 --> 02:40:13,010
because we do have to cut we do have to

3512
02:40:18,429 --> 02:40:16,520
continue to grow and learn and now when

3513
02:40:20,620 --> 02:40:18,439
you talk about the parallel universes

3514
02:40:22,840 --> 02:40:20,630
can't those be two other dimensions and

3515
02:40:25,660 --> 02:40:22,850
can they exist I believe they can and I

3516
02:40:27,489 --> 02:40:25,670
believe he created them as well okay so

3517
02:40:30,790 --> 02:40:27,499
let's let's bet let's back up a couple

3518
02:40:36,010 --> 02:40:30,800
of steps not not in his conversation but

3519
02:40:40,120 --> 02:40:36,020
in our timeline okay if we are dealing

3520
02:40:42,700 --> 02:40:40,130
with an artificial reality we're living

3521
02:40:45,219 --> 02:40:42,710
in a simulation that this is created and

3522
02:40:48,819 --> 02:40:45,229
and we're just role players right okay

3523
02:40:53,439 --> 02:40:48,829
then somebody had to write and create

3524
02:40:55,630 --> 02:40:53,449
said code and environment so if we back

3525
02:40:57,519 --> 02:40:55,640
up further than that somebody has to

3526
02:41:00,279 --> 02:40:57,529
come up with the idea and present the

3527
02:41:05,229 --> 02:41:00,289
project to all of the engineers of go

3528
02:41:08,200 --> 02:41:05,239
right right is that God is that who you

3529
02:41:10,779 --> 02:41:08,210
are saying that God is just me I am oh

3530
02:41:12,849 --> 02:41:10,789
you know I don't push it on anyone but

3531
02:41:15,010 --> 02:41:12,859
that's how I want because I push it all

3532
02:41:17,229 --> 02:41:15,020
back to him no matter when I start to go

3533
02:41:19,750 --> 02:41:17,239
oh my gosh you know then I just go well

3534
02:41:21,279 --> 02:41:19,760
you have a plan if I'm simulated and I'm

3535
02:41:22,840 --> 02:41:21,289
simulated and you know what if I am

3536
02:41:25,319 --> 02:41:22,850
simulated then I can wrap my head around

3537
02:41:28,750 --> 02:41:25,329
that then I'm gonna try and make my

3538
02:41:30,399 --> 02:41:28,760
simulation better for myself because why

3539
02:41:33,090 --> 02:41:30,409
would we want to live in such a misery

3540
02:41:35,739 --> 02:41:33,100
or we all seem to be so damn miserable

3541
02:41:38,769 --> 02:41:35,749
and that's part of the simulation right

3542
02:41:42,580 --> 02:41:38,779
that's ridiculous then if that's the

3543
02:41:44,559 --> 02:41:42,590
fact that's a sad thing to be simulating

3544
02:41:50,529 --> 02:41:44,569
all of us and all of us to have the same

3545
02:41:53,260 --> 02:41:50,539
kind of simulation well okay in that one

3546
02:41:53,889 --> 02:41:53,270
thing with all the things you don't even

3547
02:41:55,059 --> 02:41:53,899
need

3548
02:41:56,469 --> 02:41:55,069
because you just you know there's so

3549
02:41:58,120 --> 02:41:56,479
many simulations you could just have

3550
02:42:02,519 --> 02:41:58,130
that one thing with the civilians of

3551
02:42:06,550 --> 02:42:02,529
simulation but if if you look at

3552
02:42:08,710 --> 02:42:06,560
different games that are out there like

3553
02:42:12,519 --> 02:42:08,720
World of Warcraft or Sims

3554
02:42:14,409 --> 02:42:12,529
right where you have all of those

3555
02:42:18,069 --> 02:42:14,419
different characters some are bad some

3556
02:42:20,559 --> 02:42:18,079
are good you sometimes you can play the

3557
02:42:23,489 --> 02:42:20,569
game and and succeed and live a

3558
02:42:26,260 --> 02:42:23,499
wonderful life sometimes you just die

3559
02:42:33,819 --> 02:42:26,270
well isn't that exactly what we're

3560
02:42:35,699 --> 02:42:33,829
living with here on planet Earth trying

3561
02:42:40,420 --> 02:42:35,709
to make it better

3562
02:42:42,609 --> 02:42:40,430
so these simulations and we've got the

3563
02:42:44,949 --> 02:42:42,619
bad and the good and we you know they're

3564
02:42:47,229 --> 02:42:44,959
dude then it goes back if there's the

3565
02:42:48,639 --> 02:42:47,239
people are gonna just present that bad

3566
02:42:49,719 --> 02:42:48,649
all the time and they're the ones gonna

3567
02:42:51,909 --> 02:42:49,729
present the good all the time

3568
02:42:55,239 --> 02:42:51,919
yeah very fascinating that you're you

3569
02:42:57,159 --> 02:42:55,249
would be okay with it well why do we

3570
02:43:01,260 --> 02:42:57,169
sandy let me ask you this

3571
02:43:12,099 --> 02:43:01,270
why do we die then if it's a simulation

3572
02:43:15,309 --> 02:43:12,109
we die in the game we go and play again

3573
02:43:25,719 --> 02:43:15,319
right right sandy you're smart what's

3574
02:43:28,540 --> 02:43:25,729
your husband's name no I I do not I do

3575
02:43:31,569 --> 02:43:28,550
not that would certainly bum me out

3576
02:43:35,229 --> 02:43:31,579
I wanted to ask you this do you think

3577
02:43:38,139 --> 02:43:35,239
that you turned a corner and became

3578
02:43:42,189 --> 02:43:38,149
somewhat lighter and open-minded and

3579
02:43:43,300 --> 02:43:42,199
maybe even a little less empty glass

3580
02:43:46,300 --> 02:43:43,310
when you met Rita

3581
02:43:49,210 --> 02:43:46,310
well I but when that happens in

3582
02:43:51,559 --> 02:43:49,220
anybody's life of course things change

3583
02:43:57,050 --> 02:43:51,569
and and

3584
02:44:00,740 --> 02:43:57,060
the look you always I think that anybody

3585
02:44:03,309 --> 02:44:00,750
that is successful or finds their bliss

3586
02:44:08,110 --> 02:44:03,319
or happiness you don't do that alone

3587
02:44:12,110 --> 02:44:08,120
right and so you you need somebody

3588
02:44:17,179 --> 02:44:12,120
always besides you to not only for

3589
02:44:21,290 --> 02:44:17,189
support but to how do I want to expose

3590
02:44:23,059 --> 02:44:21,300
you to other things and that creates you

3591
02:44:26,210 --> 02:44:23,069
know way we reach we're each other's

3592
02:44:28,130 --> 02:44:26,220
handlers yeah I don't think as somebody

3593
02:44:31,700 --> 02:44:28,140
that's found happiness and true bliss

3594
02:44:34,010 --> 02:44:31,710
does that alone right I don't I don't

3595
02:44:35,900 --> 02:44:34,020
think that well I I guess anything is

3596
02:44:38,269 --> 02:44:35,910
possible but you know what I'm saying

3597
02:44:42,830 --> 02:44:38,279
you're not going to do this alone it's

3598
02:44:45,889 --> 02:44:42,840
got to be with somebody else and what's

3599
02:44:50,179 --> 02:44:45,899
your what's your better halfs name Jim

3600
02:44:52,340 --> 02:44:50,189
Jim that's what I'm talking about

3601
02:44:54,519 --> 02:44:52,350
sandy enjoy the rest of your night and a

3602
02:44:55,790 --> 02:44:54,529
big shout out to Jimmy thank you so much

3603
02:44:58,880 --> 02:44:55,800
okay

3604
02:45:02,990 --> 02:44:58,890
right back at you that's so you know

3605
02:45:07,309 --> 02:45:03,000
then the philosophical side of this the

3606
02:45:09,590 --> 02:45:07,319
real question is does it matter what

3607
02:45:11,179 --> 02:45:09,600
changes you still have to wake up

3608
02:45:12,469 --> 02:45:11,189
tomorrow you're still gonna have to do

3609
02:45:15,860 --> 02:45:12,479
your things you're still gonna have to

3610
02:45:17,750 --> 02:45:15,870
find happiness and and go and and and

3611
02:45:20,240 --> 02:45:17,760
learn and do all of those things that

3612
02:45:22,340 --> 02:45:20,250
you're obligated to as a person right

3613
02:45:24,410 --> 02:45:22,350
what does it change

3614
02:45:25,670 --> 02:45:24,420
that's the question let's go back to the

3615
02:45:29,929 --> 02:45:25,680
phones how you're live i'm fade to black

3616
02:45:32,030 --> 02:45:29,939
who's calling Chris from shale Hill

3617
02:45:37,010 --> 02:45:32,040
hi Chris from channel Hills how are you

3618
02:45:39,110 --> 02:45:37,020
man sorry kiddo Hills Chino Hills uh you

3619
02:45:41,210 --> 02:45:39,120
know I was thinking Channel Hills is

3620
02:45:44,599 --> 02:45:41,220
somewhere out in the Channel Islands

3621
02:45:46,820 --> 02:45:44,609
made sense to me it made sense to me

3622
02:45:50,179 --> 02:45:46,830
Chino Hills right down the road how are

3623
02:45:53,809 --> 02:45:50,189
you great great first-time caller

3624
02:45:56,450 --> 02:45:53,819
longtime listener it's kind of slightly

3625
02:45:58,940 --> 02:45:56,460
off topic but hopefully on topic any

3626
02:46:03,260 --> 02:45:58,950
chance you guys are gonna get you know

3627
02:46:05,010 --> 02:46:03,270
maybe Tom DeLonge back on the show well

3628
02:46:07,541 --> 02:46:05,020
I mean is it

3629
02:46:09,551 --> 02:46:07,551
[Laughter]

3630
02:46:17,801 --> 02:46:09,561
do you now many times a day I get that

3631
02:46:21,011 --> 02:46:17,811
question Chris no it's a lot look Tom I

3632
02:46:25,110 --> 02:46:21,021
think tom is a really cool dude and I

3633
02:46:30,490 --> 02:46:25,120
know that he's a fan of the show

3634
02:46:32,440 --> 02:46:30,500
but he also knows that and I would never

3635
02:46:36,910 --> 02:46:32,450
be you know rude or anything like that

3636
02:46:39,791 --> 02:46:36,920
to him but he knows that I've got a long

3637
02:46:45,100 --> 02:46:39,801
list of questions that I want answered

3638
02:46:47,410 --> 02:46:45,110
and I don't think that right now he I

3639
02:46:48,370 --> 02:46:47,420
mean because we could come on he could

3640
02:46:50,470 --> 02:46:48,380
come on the show we could have a

3641
02:46:52,001 --> 02:46:50,480
wonderful conversation we can talk about

3642
02:46:54,131 --> 02:46:52,011
all things TSA and everything that

3643
02:46:58,360 --> 02:46:54,141
they're working on but to get to that

3644
02:47:01,060 --> 02:46:58,370
part of the show first he's got to stand

3645
02:47:05,440 --> 02:47:01,070
up and answer a list of questions of

3646
02:47:08,711 --> 02:47:05,450
which Chris I did email him I emailed

3647
02:47:11,820 --> 02:47:08,721
him ten questions that I want to get to

3648
02:47:14,950 --> 02:47:11,830
the bottom of and none of them have been

3649
02:47:17,921 --> 02:47:14,960
addressed either publicly or privately

3650
02:47:21,791 --> 02:47:17,931
and there you go so I don't think he's

3651
02:47:24,220 --> 02:47:21,801
prepared to go and do that and things

3652
02:47:28,171 --> 02:47:24,230
like the longer he waits you know that

3653
02:47:35,230 --> 02:47:32,770
yeah that that's certainly reality

3654
02:47:39,910 --> 02:47:35,240
that's not a possibility I think that

3655
02:47:43,751 --> 02:47:39,920
that is a reality but my my list of 10

3656
02:47:46,450 --> 02:47:43,761
questions is is actually pretty old now

3657
02:47:50,171 --> 02:47:46,460
if I went back and modified that it

3658
02:47:52,900 --> 02:47:50,181
would probably be 50 questions because a

3659
02:47:56,051 --> 02:47:52,910
lot of stuff has a lot of stuff as as

3660
02:47:58,900 --> 02:47:56,061
has happened over the last year but the

3661
02:48:00,791 --> 02:47:58,910
one thing that I'm thankful for and I

3662
02:48:02,350 --> 02:48:00,801
know that Tom listens to this show the

3663
02:48:05,261 --> 02:48:02,360
one thing that I'm thankful for is that

3664
02:48:08,520 --> 02:48:05,271
he's out there pushing the UFO question

3665
02:48:12,421 --> 02:48:08,530
further further out into the public and

3666
02:48:16,541 --> 02:48:12,431
one of the things that I really enjoy is

3667
02:48:17,949 --> 02:48:16,551
the music community out there which you

3668
02:48:22,090 --> 02:48:17,959
know you look at

3669
02:48:25,269 --> 02:48:22,100
a band like blink 182 or you look at the

3670
02:48:30,760 --> 02:48:25,279
music community that is out there or the

3671
02:48:34,239 --> 02:48:30,770
gaming community or or or that the more

3672
02:48:38,559 --> 02:48:34,249
that we discuss this we expose and pull

3673
02:48:41,019 --> 02:48:38,569
them into our community you know what I

3674
02:48:43,540 --> 02:48:41,029
mean and that's what that's what Tom is

3675
02:48:44,769 --> 02:48:43,550
tapping into and I fully fully

3676
02:48:47,559 --> 02:48:44,779
appreciate that

3677
02:48:50,199 --> 02:48:47,569
you know his fans have known that he's

3678
02:48:52,750 --> 02:48:50,209
been into UFOs for a very long time his

3679
02:48:54,340 --> 02:48:52,760
band members talk about it and have

3680
02:48:57,309 --> 02:48:54,350
talked about it in the past and that's

3681
02:48:59,710 --> 02:48:57,319
what I'm appreciative of what I what I

3682
02:49:01,929 --> 02:48:59,720
don't like are the mistakes you know

3683
02:49:05,559 --> 02:49:01,939
that's that's the port that that I don't

3684
02:49:08,139 --> 02:49:05,569
appreciate and those mistakes look bad

3685
02:49:10,239 --> 02:49:08,149
back at our community and if you don't

3686
02:49:12,460 --> 02:49:10,249
answer to those and let us know why

3687
02:49:14,559 --> 02:49:12,470
those things happened then they're just

3688
02:49:18,639 --> 02:49:14,569
gonna linger there it's not gonna ever

3689
02:49:20,920 --> 02:49:18,649
go away that's right yeah I mean Greer

3690
02:49:22,960 --> 02:49:20,930
is the actually one that got me into

3691
02:49:25,809 --> 02:49:22,970
this whole I guess the universe if you

3692
02:49:28,899 --> 02:49:25,819
will and I had no idea that Tom DeLonge

3693
02:49:30,969 --> 02:49:28,909
was even you know part of it and I'm

3694
02:49:32,679 --> 02:49:30,979
just wondering is is that beef still

3695
02:49:36,519 --> 02:49:32,689
standing between the two or they kind of

3696
02:49:40,809 --> 02:49:36,529
reconciled or yeah yeah that's that's

3697
02:49:46,750 --> 02:49:40,819
that's a question for Tom and and and

3698
02:49:48,279 --> 02:49:46,760
Greer and okay this what you're talking

3699
02:49:54,399 --> 02:49:48,289
about I'll explain this to the audience

3700
02:49:57,699 --> 02:49:54,409
that Tom reached out to dr. Greer many

3701
02:50:00,189 --> 02:49:57,709
many years ago when he started to get

3702
02:50:04,120 --> 02:50:00,199
into the research of this in our

3703
02:50:07,000 --> 02:50:04,130
community and he he hung out with Steven

3704
02:50:10,510 --> 02:50:07,010
and and did some ce-5 research with them

3705
02:50:13,569 --> 02:50:10,520
and they they had a relationship and a

3706
02:50:15,309 --> 02:50:13,579
friendship so where that is today or how

3707
02:50:18,040 --> 02:50:15,319
those two look at each other that's a

3708
02:50:21,760 --> 02:50:18,050
question that needs to be you know

3709
02:50:24,729 --> 02:50:21,770
thrown at either one of them and you

3710
02:50:26,859 --> 02:50:24,739
know I think out of respect the the the

3711
02:50:28,330 --> 02:50:26,869
two of them have I don't I think that

3712
02:50:31,679 --> 02:50:28,340
stuff will probably always stay private

3713
02:50:35,130 --> 02:50:31,689
I don't have any insight okay so in

3714
02:50:37,649 --> 02:50:35,140
I did I wouldn't say that this show but

3715
02:50:39,719 --> 02:50:37,659
yeah I mean I admire both of them and

3716
02:50:41,609 --> 02:50:39,729
you know it's I mean yeah hopefully

3717
02:50:44,159 --> 02:50:41,619
obviously they can you know come to an

3718
02:50:46,380 --> 02:50:44,169
understanding that we're all in this

3719
02:50:49,319 --> 02:50:46,390
together were we're fighting for I think

3720
02:50:50,939 --> 02:50:49,329
the same cause you know that's to bring

3721
02:50:55,609 --> 02:50:50,949
you know disclosure to the forefront

3722
02:50:58,919 --> 02:50:55,619
well I'll say this Chris and

3723
02:51:03,989 --> 02:50:58,929
specifically talking about Tom and dr.

3724
02:51:06,599 --> 02:51:03,999
Greer those two are unique right now in

3725
02:51:10,649 --> 02:51:06,609
our UFO community and I'll tell you why

3726
02:51:13,709 --> 02:51:10,659
I truly believe I really do forget about

3727
02:51:16,469 --> 02:51:13,719
the sensationalism when it comes to dr.

3728
02:51:19,199 --> 02:51:16,479
Greer and his claims and flying around

3729
02:51:21,959 --> 02:51:19,209
the world with the royal families of

3730
02:51:26,519 --> 02:51:21,969
whatever and CIA directors play all of

3731
02:51:31,859 --> 02:51:26,529
that stuff aside I know I believe that

3732
02:51:34,619 --> 02:51:31,869
Stephen is exposed and knows things that

3733
02:51:36,359 --> 02:51:34,629
would blow our minds that he doesn't

3734
02:51:39,539 --> 02:51:36,369
talk about and that he can't talk about

3735
02:51:41,639 --> 02:51:39,549
I really believe that okay so I'm sure I

3736
02:51:43,050 --> 02:51:41,649
definitely believe that and it's the

3737
02:51:47,279 --> 02:51:43,060
same thing with Tom

3738
02:51:51,779 --> 02:51:47,289
I truly believe right that that Tom

3739
02:51:55,199 --> 02:51:51,789
actually knows things I do I do he's way

3740
02:51:58,169 --> 02:51:55,209
too exposed into the inner workings just

3741
02:52:01,319 --> 02:51:58,179
like dr. Greer is but I have the same

3742
02:52:04,649 --> 02:52:01,329
issues with the both of them and that is

3743
02:52:06,389 --> 02:52:04,659
this if you are truly in possession of

3744
02:52:09,349 --> 02:52:06,399
the knowledge and I do believe that both

3745
02:52:14,340 --> 02:52:09,359
of them are then come forward

3746
02:52:16,590 --> 02:52:14,350
don't don't continue with guys can't

3747
02:52:18,869 --> 02:52:16,600
handle the real truth we need to handle

3748
02:52:21,359 --> 02:52:18,879
it this way we're gonna discuss it in

3749
02:52:23,429 --> 02:52:21,369
this fashion you know we can't do too

3750
02:52:25,529 --> 02:52:23,439
many things we'll get upset and we'll

3751
02:52:27,869 --> 02:52:25,539
expose this person of this person or

3752
02:52:30,119 --> 02:52:27,879
this organization and this is gonna

3753
02:52:33,149 --> 02:52:30,129
happen with society you know what screw

3754
02:52:37,909 --> 02:52:33,159
all that screw it if you are in

3755
02:52:44,490 --> 02:52:37,919
possession with the real stuff bring it

3756
02:52:47,910 --> 02:52:44,500
bring it if I had it if I had the

3757
02:52:54,120 --> 02:52:47,920
had some top-secret stuff I'm yappin I'm

3758
02:52:56,910 --> 02:52:54,130
yapping oh yeah yeah yeah so so what I I

3759
02:52:58,800 --> 02:52:56,920
mean I mean career captain or something

3760
02:53:01,080 --> 02:52:58,810
I mean I've tried and see by protocol

3761
02:53:05,010 --> 02:53:01,090
and it works I I couldn't believe what I

3762
02:53:07,680 --> 02:53:05,020
was seeing and it's just go show you I

3763
02:53:09,390 --> 02:53:07,690
mean obviously he was I don't know that

3764
02:53:11,670 --> 02:53:09,400
the back story about it and he somehow

3765
02:53:13,260 --> 02:53:11,680
communicating with et and they went over

3766
02:53:15,810 --> 02:53:13,270
this protocol developed it together but

3767
02:53:18,450 --> 02:53:15,820
who knows where that came from but it

3768
02:53:23,160 --> 02:53:18,460
his method works I've tried I mean a

3769
02:53:25,140 --> 02:53:23,170
half full of times and it's just it's

3770
02:53:26,130 --> 02:53:25,150
just crazy what's out there and they

3771
02:53:28,820 --> 02:53:26,140
really just need to bring it to the

3772
02:53:33,750 --> 02:53:28,830
forefront yeah Chris there's the ce-5

3773
02:53:39,170 --> 02:53:33,760
protocol which I've done with with

3774
02:53:42,450 --> 02:53:39,180
Costas McRae as' and and his wife the I

3775
02:53:44,670 --> 02:53:42,460
think this is this is my take all right

3776
02:53:46,620 --> 02:53:44,680
this is just my own personal experience

3777
02:53:48,630 --> 02:53:46,630
that there is something going on with

3778
02:53:52,050 --> 02:53:48,640
that at a consciousness level there's

3779
02:53:55,350 --> 02:53:52,060
something going on within the ether and

3780
02:53:58,530 --> 02:53:55,360
you're letting something out there know

3781
02:54:01,140 --> 02:53:58,540
that you want contact and it Expo where

3782
02:54:03,480 --> 02:54:01,150
it's et or something interdimensional

3783
02:54:06,150 --> 02:54:03,490
it's us from the future I don't know

3784
02:54:10,020 --> 02:54:06,160
what it is but certainly the s appear

3785
02:54:13,290 --> 02:54:10,030
and I I don't think you necessarily need

3786
02:54:16,680 --> 02:54:13,300
to in fact I know you don't

3787
02:54:20,400 --> 02:54:16,690
to follow the ce-5 protocols by the book

3788
02:54:23,310 --> 02:54:20,410
you know and do a Sarah no no all you

3789
02:54:25,920 --> 02:54:23,320
got to do is show the intent because I

3790
02:54:32,400 --> 02:54:25,930
go out there and trust me I am the

3791
02:54:35,940 --> 02:54:32,410
opposite of ce-5 I'm loud I ask anybody

3792
02:54:39,690 --> 02:54:35,950
that's done it with me right it's just

3793
02:54:41,730 --> 02:54:39,700
about being happy open-minded and and

3794
02:54:44,220 --> 02:54:41,740
wanting something to happen and I'm

3795
02:54:46,470 --> 02:54:44,230
telling you man I've been out there with

3796
02:54:50,100 --> 02:54:46,480
a couple of hundred people and we've lit

3797
02:54:52,350 --> 02:54:50,110
up the skies and and I can be I could go

3798
02:54:55,920 --> 02:54:52,360
out in my backyard here in Burbank and

3799
02:54:58,200 --> 02:54:55,930
look up and see nothing nothing but in

3800
02:55:00,809 --> 02:54:58,210
the same sky

3801
02:55:03,269 --> 02:55:00,819
d miles away and and going out is the

3802
02:55:05,700 --> 02:55:03,279
same stars it's the same it's the same

3803
02:55:08,040 --> 02:55:05,710
stuff and and suddenly we're lighting up

3804
02:55:10,769 --> 02:55:08,050
the skies with craziness I can't explain

3805
02:55:12,510 --> 02:55:10,779
that but I think it's about intent and

3806
02:55:14,309 --> 02:55:12,520
just letting them know that you're cool

3807
02:55:16,740 --> 02:55:14,319
and that you that you're here to have

3808
02:55:20,189 --> 02:55:16,750
some fun you know and that's that's my I

3809
02:55:22,410 --> 02:55:20,199
totally agree I mean chills I mean you

3810
02:55:25,050 --> 02:55:22,420
probably familiar with it somewhat

3811
02:55:26,910 --> 02:55:25,060
definitely populated and I've done it in

3812
02:55:29,610 --> 02:55:26,920
the neighborhood and you know things

3813
02:55:31,019 --> 02:55:29,620
appeared and I guess you know for

3814
02:55:33,570 --> 02:55:31,029
whatever reason they found it was okay

3815
02:55:35,490 --> 02:55:33,580
to do so but I did notice an increase in

3816
02:55:39,179 --> 02:55:35,500
helicopter activity that weeks following

3817
02:55:41,130 --> 02:55:39,189
that very very connection or there just

3818
02:55:42,510 --> 02:55:41,140
kind of kind of odd coincidence right

3819
02:55:43,469 --> 02:55:42,520
there man I've got my night-vision

3820
02:55:45,540 --> 02:55:43,479
goggles

3821
02:55:47,130 --> 02:55:45,550
right here in the bunker I think I'm

3822
02:55:48,719 --> 02:55:47,140
gonna take them home with me tonight and

3823
02:55:52,469 --> 02:55:48,729
go jump in the backyard for a few

3824
02:55:54,510 --> 02:55:52,479
minutes there you go all right Chris

3825
02:55:57,660 --> 02:55:54,520
hey man first time call or man don't be

3826
02:55:59,309 --> 02:55:57,670
a stranger thank you so much you no

3827
02:56:02,490 --> 02:55:59,319
problem Jimmy and one more thing can you

3828
02:56:05,849 --> 02:56:02,500
take me out gobekli tepe so go back lis

3829
02:56:07,550 --> 02:56:05,859
tapi Chris yeah I'll talk to you man

3830
02:56:13,670 --> 02:56:07,560
have a good night

3831
02:56:19,559 --> 02:56:13,680
Thanks go back Lee tapi go back meet a P

3832
02:56:21,809 --> 02:56:19,569
I found my that might a Meyer

3833
02:56:24,840 --> 02:56:21,819
sent us I found the gobekli tepe

3834
02:56:26,729 --> 02:56:24,850
t-shirts they were in a drawer and I've

3835
02:56:31,410 --> 02:56:26,739
got to start wearing those again man

3836
02:56:33,479 --> 02:56:31,420
those things are too cool yeah as I as I

3837
02:56:35,490 --> 02:56:33,489
wind down here I do want to thank rizz

3838
02:56:39,240 --> 02:56:35,500
Burke for an amazing conversation

3839
02:56:43,559 --> 02:56:39,250
tonight when it comes to the simulation

3840
02:56:46,229 --> 02:56:43,569
hypothesis I left something out and we

3841
02:56:50,519 --> 02:56:46,239
didn't go there tonight and I don't know

3842
02:56:53,150 --> 02:56:50,529
why we didn't it kept popping in and

3843
02:56:57,719 --> 02:56:53,160
that is Tron

3844
02:57:00,660 --> 02:56:57,729
okay Tron especially the part two and

3845
02:57:04,950 --> 02:57:00,670
the remake were were pretty cool but the

3846
02:57:08,580 --> 02:57:04,960
original Tron now what a futuristic look

3847
02:57:10,910 --> 02:57:08,590
that was into the simulation hypothesis

3848
02:57:13,160 --> 02:57:10,920
right think about that for a second

3849
02:57:16,520 --> 02:57:13,170
but the movie Tron was something else

3850
02:57:17,480 --> 02:57:16,530
like the matrix where I watched it over

3851
02:57:21,050 --> 02:57:17,490
and over again

3852
02:57:24,650 --> 02:57:21,060
I had the videotape for Tron and I went

3853
02:57:28,310 --> 02:57:24,660
through a couple of months where I

3854
02:57:32,210 --> 02:57:28,320
watched that nearly every single day and

3855
02:57:35,120 --> 02:57:32,220
this was in the 80s got my first VCR got

3856
02:57:38,870 --> 02:57:35,130
a copy of Tron and I watched it over and

3857
02:57:41,179 --> 02:57:38,880
over again and I started to ask some of

3858
02:57:46,429 --> 02:57:41,189
those fundamental questions in watching

3859
02:57:49,070 --> 02:57:46,439
Tron and that would I do it I thought it

3860
02:57:53,000 --> 02:57:49,080
was pretty exciting right the the

3861
02:57:56,810 --> 02:57:53,010
possibility of living like that on a

3862
02:58:01,190 --> 02:57:56,820
motherboard in the chipset with other

3863
02:58:03,679 --> 02:58:01,200
computer programs right and that was

3864
02:58:06,590 --> 02:58:03,689
like the precursor for the matrix and

3865
02:58:10,580 --> 02:58:06,600
the simulation hypothesis if you think

3866
02:58:14,719 --> 02:58:10,590
about it and it started for me a path

3867
02:58:17,690 --> 02:58:14,729
down a road that I'm actually very

3868
02:58:19,880 --> 02:58:17,700
comfortable with it would you know the

3869
02:58:24,890 --> 02:58:19,890
difference if you were living do you

3870
02:58:28,040 --> 02:58:24,900
remember the first time that what's the

3871
02:58:29,870 --> 02:58:28,050
name Floyd where he shows up and he's

3872
02:58:32,870 --> 02:58:29,880
looking at his hands and he's wondering

3873
02:58:35,000 --> 02:58:32,880
he's looking around he was okay with it

3874
02:58:38,270 --> 02:58:35,010
what what did it change in his life

3875
02:58:40,310 --> 02:58:38,280
right but it takes out the other the

3876
02:58:44,530 --> 02:58:40,320
other questions those questions of

3877
02:58:48,980 --> 02:58:44,540
disease all right you know getting sick

3878
02:58:50,870 --> 02:58:48,990
sleep certainly mortality all of that

3879
02:58:52,940 --> 02:58:50,880
comes into play what a great

3880
02:58:55,600 --> 02:58:52,950
conversation tonight thank you Risberg

3881
02:58:57,830 --> 02:58:55,610
the book is called the simulation

3882
02:59:01,370 --> 02:58:57,840
hypothesis all you have to do is go to

3883
02:59:04,640 --> 02:59:01,380
this website Zen interpreter calm the

3884
02:59:06,050 --> 02:59:04,650
links are at Jimmy Church radio.com just

3885
02:59:08,030 --> 02:59:06,060
click and head straight there pre-order

3886
02:59:11,150 --> 02:59:08,040
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3887
02:59:14,080 --> 02:59:11,160
anniversary of the release of the matrix

3888
02:59:16,730 --> 02:59:14,090
on March 31st in about 10 days

3889
02:59:17,870 --> 02:59:16,740
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3890
02:59:20,440 --> 02:59:17,880
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3891
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3892
02:59:25,910 --> 02:59:22,770
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3893
02:59:29,270 --> 02:59:25,920
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3894
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3895
02:59:37,719 --> 02:59:32,460
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3896
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3897
02:59:42,410 --> 02:59:40,560
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03:00:01,250 --> 02:59:57,870
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